00:12.9
you're a UST person, di ba?
00:15.7
Sorry, UP lang kami,
00:24.3
ako, taga Baguio ako,
00:27.0
raised with, you know,
00:27.9
all the Catholic values,
00:29.7
At pagdating sa UP,
00:31.1
culture shock talaga ako, eh.
00:33.3
Hindi, atin na yun na lang ako,
00:34.3
sabi ko, culture shock.
00:36.0
No, speaking of this,
00:37.5
the Catholic Church hierarchy
00:39.2
in the Philippines
00:39.8
made a very, very important intervention
00:41.9
in behalf of the West Philippine Sea.
00:44.7
Did you see this coming?
00:46.6
What is your understanding of this?
00:48.1
Because I'm sure you know more than me
00:49.8
about the Catholic hierarchy thinking
00:52.4
and the logic behind what they're doing.
00:55.4
ako personally, as an outsider,
00:56.7
I'm not surprised because I saw the Pope.
00:59.7
Pope Francis making very interesting
01:02.2
progressive interventions
01:06.7
wars in the Middle East,
01:09.7
on the same-sex issues,
01:10.6
ayan, that's a little bit controversial
01:11.7
for a lot of folks.
01:13.5
But now, you have the Catholic Church
01:14.6
in the Philippines
01:15.0
also making this very important intervention
01:16.9
on the issue of West Philippine Sea.
01:19.8
What do you think about this?
01:25.9
ngayong January and February,
01:28.7
kung dadaan ka sa EDSA,
01:29.5
may makikita kang huge billboards,
01:31.9
electronic billboards,
01:34.5
na nakasign ng West Philippine Sea.
01:41.5
sa yung pinakamalaking
01:43.3
electronic billboard
01:44.6
sa GA Tower, yata yun.
01:51.1
oh, for the first time,
01:52.6
mga bishops na sa billboard
01:54.2
advocating for support
01:56.6
to our frontliners
01:58.0
sa West Philippine Sea.
01:59.5
Tapos, nangyari yung
02:00.8
Christmas Convoy,
02:02.5
first civilian convoy
02:03.9
going into Ayungin.
02:05.8
At, kitang-kita mo sa media,
02:09.5
and another priest
02:12.7
nung hinaras sila
02:15.4
ng People's Liberation Army Navy.
02:19.7
Dalawang battleships,
02:21.4
dalawang coast guard,
02:23.3
at napilitan silang bumalik.
02:25.8
Pero nung umiikot sila,
02:27.5
nasa gitna sila ng misa.
02:29.3
a Christmas Convoy,
02:31.0
which was very religious,
02:32.8
supported by a lot of bishops,
02:37.6
papuntang BRP Sierra Madre.
02:40.8
nung two weekends ago,
02:47.5
Catholic Bishops Conference.
02:49.8
Tingin ko, isa sila pag-usapan dyan
02:51.5
ay yung mga frontliners.
02:54.0
Kaya, the day after,
02:56.1
naglabas yung walong bishops
02:57.4
ng led by the Bishops.
02:59.3
Naglabas yung walong bishops
03:00.3
ng led by Archbishop Sock Villegas,
03:01.9
Bishop Pabilio from Palawan,
03:04.1
naglabas sila ng statement.
03:05.8
Dalawa yung mahalagas na statement na yan.
03:11.5
dapat trabaho ng gobyerno
03:13.3
na suportahan yung ating mga frontliners,
03:15.8
especially yung mga fishermen
03:17.0
sa West Philippine Sea.
03:19.1
Pero yung ikalawa ay very intriguing.
03:22.4
It is morally necessary
03:25.1
na humingi ng tulong
03:27.9
sa ating mga frontliners.
03:33.2
Na hindi lang siya
03:37.1
It is morally permissible
03:38.8
na humingi ng tulong.
03:41.2
inemphasize naman nila
03:45.3
humingi ng tulong
03:46.1
para protectahan yung atin.
03:49.4
very pregnant with meaning
03:50.9
yung statement na yan.
03:52.6
At kung makikita ko
03:54.3
yung direction yan,
03:55.2
hindi yan dyan matitigil.
03:58.3
may ilang mga objektoon,
04:00.0
gustong gumawa ng pastoral letter
04:02.7
sa mga churches nila.
04:11.8
sa West Philippine issue
04:14.4
dito sa ating simbahan.
04:18.2
ditong parating na Easter,
04:20.7
ang Easter convoy
04:22.0
from Christmas convoy.
04:24.7
So, hindi ito lang tatapos
04:26.0
sa itong convoy na ito.
04:27.3
Itong mga activities na ito,
04:29.2
from civil society,
04:31.9
may bagong dynamic
04:39.7
Hindi lamang this year,
04:41.7
kung hindi even beyond.
04:44.1
mahalaga yung statement na yan.
04:48.6
naglabas ng statement
04:52.6
yung iniiwasan ng iba
04:54.8
o debate pa mismo
04:56.4
within the progressive movement,
04:58.6
na morally permissible
05:01.0
na humingi ng tulong
05:02.8
sa mga kaibigang bansa
05:04.7
na tutulungan tayong
05:07.0
ang ating West Philippine Sea
05:08.7
kung hindi natin kaya.
05:11.4
Kung nabasa mo yung letter.
05:16.5
you were part of the
05:17.7
Aquino administration.
05:18.8
You were his political advisor.
05:20.0
And alam mo naman,
05:20.5
sa RH Bill issue,
05:22.6
Medyo mahidwaan talaga
05:23.8
with the Catholic Church.
05:24.8
And I remember there were days na
05:31.2
by some of the folks
05:32.9
because of her advocacy
05:35.3
from the position of the Church,
05:36.9
this was something immoral.
05:38.1
This was something
05:38.6
abhorrent, right?
05:45.1
sa mga issue na yan.
05:46.8
And what we also see
05:47.7
over the past decade or so
05:49.9
evangelist groups
05:50.8
for the lack of better term.
05:52.7
different religious groups
05:56.9
daw may block voting.
05:59.9
Is the Catholic Church
06:04.4
it may not be as powerful
06:06.5
but it's going through
06:07.1
a transition process
06:08.2
accepting the new realities
06:11.0
as we see with Pope Francis
06:12.6
and adjusting accordingly.
06:14.8
I know for a fact
06:15.8
that there were a lot of people
06:17.4
sa ating simbahan
06:19.5
really profound moments
06:21.5
after 2022 elections.
06:24.8
more or less was aligned
06:26.4
against both Digong
06:27.5
and Tresor and Diglao.
06:28.6
I would say BBM also
06:29.5
and yet, you know,
06:30.2
you saw the people voting
06:31.2
in certain directions.
06:32.3
that also encouraged
06:33.8
some sort of soul-searching
06:35.3
just as Pope Francis
06:37.9
was also overseeing
06:38.8
some transformational
06:40.0
paradigmatic discussions
06:42.7
or paradigm shifts
06:44.1
chance of Vatican.
06:47.9
who's not familiar
06:49.0
with the internal
06:49.9
aspects of the catechistic debates
06:53.9
within the Church.
06:55.3
I know you may not be necessarily
06:57.1
the most biased person
06:58.0
but you were a politician.
06:58.6
You were a political advisor
07:00.1
You come from UST,
07:01.2
one of the oldest
07:01.8
Catholic universities on Earth
07:03.4
and the oldest in Asia.
07:05.0
What is your take
07:06.7
Is this a kind of a
07:07.8
moment of transformation
07:10.3
could make Catholic Church
07:12.8
again like before
07:14.0
as Cardinal Sin was perhaps
07:18.9
Philippine Republic?
07:21.3
We have a big influence
07:23.2
and the Catholic boss.
07:28.1
there's no Catholic vote
07:29.4
but there's an influence.
07:34.1
during the time of Cory,
07:35.1
during the time of EDSA,
07:36.6
during the anti-Marcos struggle
07:39.5
and you also saw that
07:41.8
the first signature.
07:43.0
They revived the old signature
07:46.5
but the old signature of FBR
07:48.7
supported by Cory
07:50.5
was supported by Cory
07:52.5
and Cardinal Sin.
07:55.1
the Church has an influence.
07:56.4
The Church has an influence.
07:57.0
The Church has an influence.
07:58.7
on the important issues
08:01.3
It's different to talk about
08:02.1
the Catholic vote
08:03.7
because the Church
08:05.8
wasn't organized that way
08:07.2
and I haven't seen
08:08.6
any effort to do that.
08:10.7
political electoral discussions
08:13.9
on the lay people
08:15.6
but I haven't seen
08:19.9
to have a Catholic vote
08:22.0
and I haven't seen
08:23.3
that in the future.
08:24.4
But the influence
08:25.1
is another thing.
08:27.0
here in the EDSA celebration,
08:29.3
it looks like they're sticking
08:30.0
the anti-Chacha message
08:31.7
together with the Church.
08:33.5
Here in the EDSA celebration
08:35.2
on February 22-23.
08:39.6
But it's not that big
08:42.7
because they're just starting
08:45.7
So here in the extrajudicial killings,
08:48.7
the Church has a very strong influence.
08:51.0
So even the Philippine Church
08:52.9
together with the Vatican
08:57.0
a very strong transition.
08:59.1
where it's going to go.
09:00.6
their recognition
09:07.3
that you didn't think about
09:12.1
It's happening now.
09:14.5
There's a dynamic
09:16.7
even within the Vatican.
09:19.5
And I'm almost sure
09:21.4
even within the Church
09:23.8
Although sometimes
09:25.0
it's more conservative.
09:27.0
The Philippine Church
09:27.9
is more conservative
09:27.9
than the Vatican.
09:31.0
Especially if you have
09:31.7
someone like Pope Francis
09:32.7
who comes from that
09:33.8
liberation theology
09:35.3
almost perhaps world.
09:38.6
even by increments,
09:39.8
the influence of the Vatican
09:41.8
can also reach here.
09:42.8
Especially if you have
09:45.8
or perhaps even two
09:47.0
for the first time,
09:49.0
there are two Filipinos
09:50.2
that are lined up
09:57.0
the first Filipino Pope,
09:58.9
but also the first Asian.
10:01.4
Because Cardinal Tagle
10:03.7
is in the top three of hierarchy.
10:06.1
Even Cardinal Sin
10:07.1
didn't reach that high.
10:12.0
if we're talking about
10:22.5
It's not conservative
10:27.0
You might even call him
10:33.7
he had to weather
10:35.2
the Duterte attacks.
10:37.1
he was in the Philippines
10:38.3
during a very difficult time.
10:40.1
hindi ito yung tao
10:40.8
na madali lang umakyat.
10:42.3
who had to really overcome a lot.
10:44.3
So, I'm sure that,
10:46.0
Like Bishop Ambo,
10:47.4
the president of the CBCP ngayon.
10:51.5
Yan yung kalookan eh.
10:52.7
Diyan lang ngyari
10:54.0
extrajudicial killings.
10:55.8
Kaya tumindig yan.
10:57.0
At tinireten yan.
10:58.1
Niread pa yung kanyang
10:59.2
yung kanyang bahay
11:02.4
Yung kanyang diocese.
11:04.6
head ng political affairs
11:08.4
para kunin yung mga testigo
11:11.1
kay Kian de los Santos.
11:12.6
At kinasuhan pa si
11:15.6
dahil kinuha niya
11:17.0
yung mga kaibigan ni Kian
11:19.9
doon sa pagpatay.
11:23.6
medyo la-define yan
11:25.0
through struggle.
11:26.9
mga nagmimisa lamang
11:30.9
Ito yung talagang
11:36.7
sa ating kasaysayan.
11:38.7
Perhaps more dangerous
11:39.7
than the old Marcos.
11:41.5
Dahil parang mas maraming
11:42.9
allegedly pinapatay.
11:47.0
At hindi sila umatras.
11:50.6
itong nangyayari ngayon
11:51.6
na positioning nila
11:52.5
sa West Philippine Sea
11:58.7
political advocacy
12:00.7
political narrative
12:02.1
noong panahon ni Tigong.
12:03.5
It's a logical next step
12:06.0
Yeah, we're seeing
12:06.6
the logical progression
12:08.2
in the works for Quads.
12:09.0
I like this question
12:10.2
kasi lumalabas dito na
12:11.6
hindi ka Marxista.
12:16.5
Parang masyado naman
12:17.2
kayo anti-religious
12:19.0
Eh, parang kulto din naman
12:20.2
kayo mag-isip minsan.
12:21.7
Yung una kong training
12:33.2
yung liberation theology
12:34.6
kind of thing, right?
12:35.8
doon ako lang simula.
12:36.8
When I was young.
12:38.2
Pueblo sa Latin America,
12:39.6
liberation theology.
12:52.6
doctorate, Marxism.
12:56.8
Na yung pinag-aralan
12:58.1
niya talaga maigit.
12:59.3
Doon sa seminar na yun,
13:03.1
nakalimutan ko na yung
13:04.1
pangalan ng lugar,
13:09.6
Yung fundamentals
13:15.9
The three basic laws.
13:17.6
The three basic laws
13:21.8
The struggle of opposites.
13:26.8
negation of the negation.
13:28.8
Pinag-aralan mo talagang
13:29.8
Tapos, yung last two days,
13:33.8
durugin mo yung pinag-aralan mo.
13:41.8
Bago mo kontrahin ang Marxism,
13:44.8
dapat kaya mong depensahan.
13:46.8
Kaya mong ipaliwanan.
13:48.8
Then later on, destroy it.
13:52.8
That's how we were trained before.
13:56.3
Kaya hindi ko nakakalimutan yun.
13:59.3
Itong dialectical
14:02.3
Baka di mo sinabi yan
14:03.3
nung yung pinaka-first
14:06.3
I asked about your background.
14:09.3
lumalabas na yung side mo yan.
14:10.3
He didn't say that.
14:11.3
So, dapat i-cut out
14:13.3
i-dagdag ko doon sa
14:15.3
long conversation natin.
14:17.3
when we talk about
14:18.3
yung pumunta ka sa
14:20.3
yung process of radicalization mo,
14:23.3
So, this is the part
14:24.3
I didn't know about it.
14:26.3
even with si Leloy,
14:28.3
to put it mildly,
14:33.3
when we talk about
14:34.3
the progressive contribution
14:36.3
especially under the
14:37.3
current leadership,
14:38.3
he's very fair naman.
14:39.3
And I appreciate also this.
14:40.3
Kasi hindi ako komportable
14:41.3
sa mga tao na anti-religious
14:42.3
and everything like that.
14:46.3
may sarili silang mga
14:51.3
I really appreciate this,
14:52.3
Secretary Ronald Llamas.
14:53.3
We have to have more
14:54.3
discussions like this.
14:56.3
I think we have to have
14:57.3
more faith and strength,
15:00.3
these very difficult times
15:03.3
Yung dati mo sinasabi,
15:05.3
yung ating mga bayani.
15:10.3
Maraming salamat.
15:13.3
Thank you very much,
15:16.3
Talk to you soon.
15:17.3
Talk to you soon.
15:18.3
Galvez, pasensya na.
15:19.3
Alam ko napahaba ka today
15:20.3
kaya madal-dal ako
15:21.3
para hindi ka mapagod
15:23.3
ang taga-tagal ng dal-dal
15:29.3
that marami pa rin
15:30.3
nanonood sa atin.
15:32.3
more than a thousand people
15:33.3
live have been watching us
15:34.3
on different platforms.
15:35.3
So, medyo malaki-laki din
15:36.3
yung views natin.
15:42.3
thank you very much,
15:43.3
Secretary Ronald Llamas.
15:45.3
hope to catch you soon.
15:47.3
to the Philippines,
15:50.3
to the salt mines,
