00:36.3
And I'm happy to share that one of our rescuees, si Elias Rita,
00:42.5
has chosen to transform her trauma to create a positive impact.
00:48.4
Sa tulong ng Active Citizenship Foundation,
00:51.9
binabahagi niya ang kanyang karanasan sa mga youth and students
00:56.2
para hindi sila mabigahani ng mga scam hubs.
01:02.3
Ngunit, mula good news,
01:04.9
ay papunta sa bad news.
01:07.5
When we started the hearings,
01:10.0
we wanted to cast a light
01:11.5
on the phenomenon of Filipinos being trafficked to other countries,
01:15.9
usually in the Southeast Asian region,
01:18.3
to work as scammers.
01:20.8
Then, we discovered that these scam hubs,
01:24.6
which we once believed,
01:26.2
were predominantly in other countries,
01:28.2
perhaps in more fragile democracies,
01:31.2
are actually here, in the Philippines.
01:35.2
Sinilip natin ang Clark Scam Hub.
01:40.2
Ako, parehong suot kong blazer dyan.
01:45.2
Nakakainis, pero yan, hazards of the trade.
01:51.2
Sinilip din natin ang Pasay Scam Hub.
01:56.2
And, perhaps, there were some of us
02:01.2
who still thought that these were isolated cases,
02:05.2
nowhere near the contagion
02:07.2
that has hit our Southeast Asian neighbors.
02:10.2
Pero friends, dito po ako nabigla.
02:14.2
I was very disturbed to hear
02:16.2
that there is persuasive information
02:19.2
from the intelligence community
02:23.2
stating na itong Bamban Complex,
02:26.2
na ito ay ginagamit for surveillance activities.
02:31.2
At ang mga ibang nabalitang high-profile cases
02:36.2
of hacking of our own government websites
02:40.2
ay traceable sa complex na ito.
02:44.2
Are Pogos now being used to spy on us?
02:49.2
Ginigisa na ba tayo sa sarili nating mantika?
02:53.2
Labas po ito sa impormasyon na
02:56.2
there were actual Chinese fugitives
02:58.2
found in the Baofu compound.
03:02.2
Then comes the most troubling news.
03:05.2
Tayo na po ang isa sa fastest growing hotspots
03:10.2
for scams sa buong mundo.
03:13.2
According to our colleague, Xin Paok,
03:15.2
halos lahat po ng malawakang imbestigasyon
03:19.2
on cyber fraud and cyber scams sa mundo.
03:23.2
May nexus sa Pilipinas.
03:26.2
Ibig sabihin, there is some kind of
03:29.2
traceable connection to the Philippines.
03:32.2
Halo-halong ka lamay na ang scams,
03:35.2
national security threats, human trafficking.
03:39.2
If these scam hubs are so lucrative,
03:43.2
hindi na ito titigil.
03:45.2
These will just grow and grow.
03:48.2
And before we know it,
03:50.2
we will be faced with a threat
03:52.2
to our national security
03:54.2
like nothing we have ever seen before.
03:58.2
How did we come to this?
04:00.2
Paano tayo naka-abot dito?
04:03.2
What forces conspired or continue to conspire
04:07.2
to allow this to happen?
04:09.2
Perhaps what we will show you next
04:12.2
will shed some light on this.
04:14.2
So, ito po yung napakagandang gate entrance kanina.
04:28.2
Totoo po yung unan yung nasilip kanina,
04:33.2
yung pangatlong ito,
04:35.2
napakalaking compound pala talaga ito.
04:39.2
Sa kalagitnaan lang ng bayan ng Bambang,
04:42.2
ng Bambang Tarlac.
04:45.2
Actually, ang tawag po ng mga taga roon ay
04:49.2
Mini BGC ng Bambang,
04:52.2
sa laki niya at sa ganda niya,
04:54.2
sa pagkasosyal niya.
04:56.2
At ito po ay nakaregister sa
04:59.2
Zun Yuan Technology Incorporated o ZYTI.
05:03.2
Pero ang lupa, ang lupa ay sa Baufu Corporation,
05:08.2
Baufu Corporation na kapangalan.
05:10.2
Within these complex are various buildings na
05:14.2
ayon sa Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission
05:18.2
ginagamit para sa scams.
05:20.2
Love scam po ang karaniwa na ginagawa dito.
05:24.2
Parang yung ginagawa noon ni Naelia Sirita.
05:28.2
Nagpapaibig sa mga nasa ibang bansa
05:32.2
at pagkatapos ay huhut-hutan.
05:35.2
We also saw, you may have seen,
05:38.2
gleaming villas within this compound.
05:41.2
Valued, ita isa po yan.
05:44.2
Valued at over 40 million pesos per villa.
05:47.2
May wine cellar, itong state of the art kitchen,
05:53.2
At ang laking gulat ko ay entrance
05:56.2
papunta sa isang underground bunker
05:59.2
at a maze of tunnels.
06:02.2
Ang tanong, bakit may bunker?
06:05.2
Bakit may tunnels?
06:06.2
Why would a registered POGO
06:09.2
conducting legal activities need these?
06:13.2
I was even more surprised when I found out
06:16.2
that there seems to be clear documentary evidence
06:20.2
linking the local government of Banban,
06:23.2
specifically the mayor, to the operations.
06:26.2
Mamaya po iisa-isahin po natin ito
06:29.2
sa tulong ng PAOK
06:31.2
na unang nakakuha ng mga documents na ito.
06:34.2
Inimbitahan din po natin ang mayor ng Banban
06:38.2
para magbigay ng kanilang paliwanag.
06:41.2
Ang mga susunod na tanong,
06:44.2
kung ito, kung totoo ang mga ito,
06:48.2
hanggang local government lang ba
06:51.2
ang sphere of influence nitong mga Chinese POGO?
06:55.2
Or mayroon pang mga protektor sa itaas?
06:59.2
POGO at scams lang ba ang intention?
07:02.2
Or is there a larger and more sinister endgame?
07:09.2
It does not abate my worries in the least
07:13.2
that separate sources in the intelligence community
07:16.2
and various executive agencies
07:19.2
are sounding the alarm of large tracts of land
07:24.2
around EDCA sites being purchased by Chinese nationals
07:29.2
with Filipino identities.
07:32.2
Ang modus di umano ay late registration of birth.
07:38.2
Friends, our investigations in the Senate
07:41.2
are never to pin anyone down.
07:43.2
Hindi po namin layunin ni tungkulin
07:47.2
na maghahain ng evidence beyond reasonable doubt
07:50.2
laban sa mga individual o opisina.
07:53.2
Tungkulin po namin siyasatin at unawain
07:57.2
ang mga kaganapan sa ating lipunan
08:00.2
na maaaring maging batayan
08:03.2
para magsulong ng mga batas at polisiya.
08:06.2
And if these POGOs provide cover for scams
08:10.2
and human trafficking,
08:12.2
if these POGOs engender corruption
08:15.2
in the public service,
08:17.2
if these POGOs threaten our national security,
08:21.2
sa tingin ko po malinaw ang direkso na dapat nating tahakin.
08:26.2
Sen. Sherwin, the floor is yours for your opening statement.
08:30.2
Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
08:32.2
Madam Chairperson, nasabi ko ito nung
08:35.2
nag-inspection tayo sa Tarlac.
08:38.2
May kasabihan sa English na itatagalog ko.
08:41.2
Kung naloko ka ng isang beses, kahiyan yun ng nangloko.
08:45.2
Pero kung naloko ka ng dalawang beses, kahiyan na natin yun.
08:49.2
Dito sa lugar na ito, sa Banban, Tarlac,
08:52.2
dalawang beses ang raid na nangyari.
08:55.2
Isa nung February 23, naraid yung Hong Sheng.
09:00.2
Pogo dahil sa fraudulent cryptocurrency and investment operations.
09:06.2
850 ang nahuli at narescue.
09:11.2
At fast forward after one year,
09:15.2
ngayon March of 2024,
09:20.2
naraid na naman yung Sun Yuan
09:23.2
dahil sa human trafficking and serious illegal detention.
09:27.2
Ang na-apprehend at narescue ay
09:32.2
Same location, same pogo operation,
09:37.2
almost the same amount of people ang narescue at na-apprehended.
09:40.2
Dalawang beses nangyari doon.
09:42.2
At just this new administration alone,
09:47.2
meron anim na raids na nangyari.
09:50.2
Isa sa Clark, yung Sun Valley.
09:53.2
Sa Las Finas, yung Rivendell, another pogo operator.
09:57.2
Sa Paranaque, yung Asiana.
09:59.2
Sa Pasay, yung latest na pinuntahan namin rin
10:02.2
ng ating chairperson.
10:05.2
Yung smart web na pinakita kanina.
10:08.2
May mga torture chamber.
10:10.2
Merong prostitution din.
10:14.2
Anim na nangyari in the last almost two years.
10:18.2
So makikita natin,
10:20.2
ginagamit ng Pogo,
10:23.2
yung kanilang lisensya na galing sa Pagor,
10:26.2
na binabandera nilang legitimate,
10:28.2
pero ang sa likod,
10:30.2
ang nangyari ay crypto scam,
10:32.2
love scam, human trafficking,
10:35.2
torture, illegal detention.
10:38.2
So, makikita natin na
10:41.2
walang kabutihan ang dinadala ng Pogo dito.
10:45.2
Bagkus, ginagamit lang yung
10:48.2
quote-unquote legitimate license nila
10:50.2
para lokohin tayong lahat.
10:53.2
At kung tutusin, itong anim na raids,
10:56.2
itong anim na panluloko ito eh.
10:58.2
And forgive me for this word,
11:00.2
parang ginagago na tayo, Madam Chair,
11:02.2
dahil binabandera nila yung legitimate na license
11:06.2
na kukuha nila sa Pagor.
11:08.2
So, dapat na talagang itigil ang Pogo
11:11.2
dahil ang kinakatukutan natin ay nandito na.
11:15.2
Na alam nila gumamit ng pera, suhol, lagay,
11:21.2
para maproteksyonan sila sa kanilang operasyon dito sa ating bandera.
11:24.2
Sa kanilang operasyon dito sa ating bansa.
11:26.2
Nasabi ko nga nung una, nung nag-inspeksyon tayo,
11:30.2
sino naman maglalakas ng loob,
11:32.2
mag-iinvest ng ganung kalaki?
11:34.2
44 million, sabi nga ng ating chairperson,
11:37.2
per villa, na 15 villa.
11:40.2
Kung alam mo may proteksyon ka,
11:42.2
alam mo may kapit ka,
11:44.2
maglalagay ka ng pera dahil alam mo makakatakas ka.
11:48.2
Kaya, Madam Chairperson, thank you very much for
11:51.2
conducting this hearing once again.
11:54.2
Hindi kami magsasawa dito na magkaroon ng hearing
11:57.2
para ibulgar yung mga ganitong hindi magagandang
12:01.2
aktibidad ng Pogo.
12:03.2
At hindi kami mapapagod na ibulgar yung mga taong nasa likod
12:06.2
na nagbibigay proteksyon dito sa mga Pogo operators.
12:10.2
Thank you very much, Madam Chairperson.
12:12.2
Maraming salamat, Sen. Sherwin.
12:14.2
Komse, could you kindly acknowledge our resource person's presence today?
12:24.2
Good morning, everyone.
12:26.2
For the record, the committee would like to acknowledge
12:29.2
the presence of the following resource person.
12:31.2
From the Presidential Anti-Organist Crime Commission,
12:34.2
we have Undersecretary Gilberto Cruz,
12:37.2
together with Director Winnie Guidato.
12:47.2
So, pina-forward ko na, mga kaibigan.
12:49.2
From the Clark Development Corporation,
12:52.2
we have Attorney Gloria Victoria Taruc,
12:56.2
Pinyon Corritanez,
12:58.2
and ang angrily stated that he will not answer further questions from our server.
13:04.2
That was the report given to us by our USA. Thank you.
13:09.2
So, Madam Chairman, it seems to me that there is a pattern.
13:14.2
Zunyuan is a duly licensed Pogo operator of Pagcor.
13:19.2
SmartWeb is a duly licensed Pogo operator
13:23.2
Both have incorporators which are
13:28.2
which are living in bogus or non-existent addresses.
13:32.2
That goes to show the quality of people
13:35.2
and incorporators of these companies
13:38.2
are involved in these Pogo operators.
13:40.2
Let me just put that on record, Madam Chairman.
13:43.2
Very well taken, Sen. Sherwin.
13:45.2
And thank you, Komsek.
13:46.2
Will there be a motion that the Chair could rule on to
13:51.2
since these persons are not at their stated addresses
13:58.2
and would not receive the invitation or the subpoena
14:05.2
the subpoena of the Committee for further action from the Committee.
14:08.2
Will there be one forthcoming from the good Senator?
14:11.2
Madam Chairman, with your permission,
14:13.2
I move to subpoena the registered incorporators of Zunyuan,
14:18.2
namely the President and Chairman,
14:21.2
Ms. Jemeline Cruz,
14:23.2
the Director and Treasurer of the Zed Company,
14:26.2
Mr. Roderick Paul Pujante,
14:29.2
and the Corporate Secretary,
14:31.2
the Director and Corporate Secretary,
14:32.2
Mr. Juan Miguel Alpas.
14:37.2
Thank you for the motion from Sen. Sherwin.
14:41.2
Komsek, please issue for the Committee the subpoenas
14:44.2
against the three named incorporators of Zunyuan.
14:51.2
Komsek, could you please also administer the oath
14:53.2
to our resource persons who are here for the first time?
14:58.2
Our witness was able to escape.
15:01.2
And just about your first...
15:03.2
Our raid, we were able to find...
15:06.2
I, please state your name,
15:11.2
do solemnly swear
15:14.2
that I will tell the truth,
15:18.2
and nothing but the truth,
15:20.2
to this investigation.
15:23.2
You may now take your seat.
15:25.2
Thank you, Komsek,
15:26.2
and thank you, resource persons.
15:28.2
If I may ask a question first from PAOC,
15:32.2
since you conducted the raid in Bamban,
15:37.2
could you please give the Committee a short presentation
15:40.2
of your key findings in that raid?
15:43.2
So the chair acknowledges Dr. Cascio.
15:46.2
We prepared a PowerPoint presentation
15:49.2
that we gave to the Committee earlier on.
15:52.2
Would you just know how many minutes long it is?
15:56.2
I could probably do it in five minutes, ma'am.
15:59.2
I'll just skip through the most important parts.
16:05.2
Could we go through the PowerPoint, please?
16:11.2
Let us skip the first two slides, three slides.
16:21.2
So that's the compound.
16:23.2
So, ma'am, can we proceed to the next slide?
16:26.2
Basically, Sunyuan,
16:29.2
as per the documents we obtained from PAGCOR,
16:31.2
is only licensed to operate in the second, third,
16:34.2
and fourth floors of that building, A1.
16:36.2
A1 building, the admin building of BAUCO compound.
16:40.2
But we were able to obtain a warrant
16:43.2
for the entire compound, 36 compound, 36 buildings,
16:47.2
and thankfully, we were able to do that.
16:49.2
Because in our raid,
16:51.2
we were able to find that the actual scamming activities
16:54.2
were found in two other areas
16:56.2
that were not declared under the PAGCOR license.
16:59.2
But let me state, Madam Chair, Mr. Senator,
17:02.2
that even in the licensed BOGO,
17:05.2
second, third, and fourth floors,
17:07.2
initial investigation indicates
17:09.2
that there are also scamming activities in that legitimate BOGO.
17:13.2
And just about your first three slides, Dr. Cascio,
17:17.2
even from the air,
17:18.2
what is the area of that whole compound?
17:22.2
I could not recall on the top of my head,
17:25.2
but there are 36 buildings thereabouts, Ma'am.
17:28.2
So I could imagine it could be a few hectares.
17:31.2
So we will ask perhaps another national government agency later
17:35.2
kung ganong kalaki ang mukhang malaking compound na yan.
17:38.2
Please proceed, Doctor.
17:39.2
Could we proceed to the next slide, please?
17:42.2
So that particular area houses the condominium units
17:46.2
where our deponent,
17:47.2
our witness was able to escape from.
17:51.2
Can we proceed to the next slide, please?
17:53.2
That was a Filipino witness?
17:55.2
No, Ma'am. That was the Vietnamese witness.
17:57.2
Then these are the villas that was stated earlier on
18:01.2
by the good Senator Gatchal Yan.
18:03.2
If I'm not mistaken, yeah, he is correct.
18:05.2
There would be around 14 villas thereabouts.
18:07.2
And three of the villas are interconnected by tunnels.
18:12.2
And there is a large, I would say,
18:13.2
Olympic-sized swimming pool therein.
18:15.2
And under one of the villas,
18:17.2
in the most sophisticated villa,
18:19.2
would be a multi-million peso worth of a wine cellar.
18:23.2
We had the cellar inventoried
18:26.2
and we closed it to ensure that it would not be billboard.
18:30.2
Bakit may tunnels?
18:33.2
Bakit kailangan ng tunnels sa villas?
18:36.2
In our initial investigation, Ma'am,
18:38.2
we found that there is an actual panic room.
18:41.2
So it is for that reason that
18:44.2
during the initial serving of the warrant,
18:47.2
the people who were inhabiting that particular villas
18:50.2
were not found by our police officers
18:52.2
because they were hiding in the panic room.
18:54.2
So yun yung purpose ng panic room?
18:57.2
Thankfully for us,
18:59.2
since we stayed there for a few days
19:01.2
up until the third day
19:03.2
to conduct the investigation and to do the wrap-up,
19:06.2
we were able to find four Chinese nationals in that area.
19:10.2
Unfortunately, that was already a second search,
19:13.2
so we could not include them in the inquest.
19:16.2
Otherwise, that would be a second serving of the warrant.
19:20.2
Pero itong apat na Chinese nationals nung una,
19:24.2
doon nagtago sa panic room,
19:26.2
but later nung lumabas sila, doon nyo sila nadakit?
19:30.2
Can we proceed please?
19:33.2
Ito po yung insidente that led to the application of the warrant.
19:37.2
This is the video that we prepared.
19:39.2
This is Mr. Thanh Minh Duc.
19:41.2
He's a Vietnamese national.
19:43.2
Can we play the video please?
19:47.2
Please move back to the previous slide.
19:51.2
Pakisuspend muna yung pag-play nung video.
20:00.2
Just before the video.
20:02.2
Pakinote lang po yung mga kaibigan natin sa media
20:04.2
yung request ng PAOC na this is not for...
20:08.2
Strictly forbidden to share or broadcast this video
20:11.2
for public viewing under any circumstances.
20:14.2
Dahil ongoing pa yung investigation ng PAOC.
20:16.2
Please proceed, Doctor.
20:18.2
So, this is Danny.
20:20.2
His English name is Danny.
20:22.2
So, tumakas po siya actually nung February 25.
20:26.2
Tumalun po siya doon sa condominium area
20:28.2
and he was able to go through a riverbed.
20:32.2
Tumulay po siya sa riverbed
20:34.2
and he was documenting the entire experience.
20:37.2
Hinahabol po siya ng hindi bababang walong security guards
20:40.2
from the Baofu compound.
20:42.2
Paanong alam na galing sila sa Baofu, yung guards?
20:46.2
Nagkilala po sila that they were from Zone U-1.
20:49.2
Kasi po, nakatakas po si Mr. Danny into an adjacent compound,
20:53.2
a farm owned by a Filipino-American, American Air Force retiree.
20:59.2
And they were trying to force that individual to hand over Danny.
21:04.2
And thankfully, he did not.
21:08.2
Alam niyo mga kaibigan ha, yung binanggit niya,
21:11.2
Filipino-American soldier na retiree, mga kaibigan.
21:18.2
At hindi niya turn over itong tumakas na ito.
21:21.2
Vietnamese ito eh.
21:22.2
Nakatakas po ito doon po sa Pogo, no?
21:29.2
Ngayon, tumawid siya doon sa kabilang lupa.
21:32.2
Nakuha po siya nung Filipino-American retiree na iyon.
21:36.2
At ang ako, in my own conspiracy jury,
21:39.2
I think mga kaibigan,
21:40.2
yung retiree na iyon, baka part pa rin yun ng asset ng Amerika.
21:51.2
It could be part of their CIA or intelligence unit.
21:55.2
Di ba, hindi natin alam.
21:56.2
So hindi niya binigay.
21:58.2
Therefore, may anticipation mga kaibigan,
22:01.2
na ano yan eh, minomonitor.
22:04.2
Kita niyo yung Amerika.
22:06.2
Minomonitor nila, tinatabihan nila itong mga Pogo na ito.
22:11.2
So tumawid itong Vietnamese na ito, hindi niya binigay.
22:15.2
Di ba, hindi niya binigay.
22:17.2
So therefore, ako naniniwala ako, malakas ang kotob ko,
22:21.2
na part ito ng asset, intelligence asset ng Amerika,
22:27.2
Isipin nyo naman, di ba, sa dinami-dami ng pagkakataon,
22:30.2
bakit isang Filipino-American forces yung nandoon.
22:35.2
So therefore, naniniwala ako na all eyes on Pogo ang Amerika.
22:39.2
All eyes on Pogo.
22:41.2
Matindi rin ang intelligence gathering nitong Amerika, mga kaibigan.
22:47.2
The following day...
22:48.2
Itong guard naka-uniform pa, no?
22:53.2
Then, we got a call on the 26th of February
22:56.2
from a pastor who was a friend of that Filipino-American national
23:00.2
and he informed us of the presence of Mr. Duke Danny.
23:05.2
I arrived at the compound on the 28th of February.
23:08.2
To retrieve Mr. Duke.
23:11.2
And I brought him to Manila where we kept him in our safe house.
23:20.2
Mr. Danny intimated to us that he was being asked to sign an undertaking,
23:24.2
an affidavit of undertaking, that he was not harmed,
23:27.2
that he left the compound at his own volition.
23:30.2
Sinong nagpapapirma sa kanya ng ganyang affidavit?
23:34.2
He intimated to us that certain police officers were asked to sign an affidavit
23:38.2
asking him to sign the said document.
23:40.2
Uniformed police officers?
23:42.2
According to Mr. Duke.
23:45.2
But when we arrived at the area, no said police officers were present.
23:50.2
Only Mr. Duke and the Filipino-American national was there.
23:57.2
Let us continue, please.
24:03.2
Likewise, we were able to get hold of a plane ticket.
24:08.2
He was being forced to leave the Philippines on February 27 or 28.
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A paid Cebu Pacific ticket.
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Galing po kanino yung ticket?
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Apparently, according to Mr. Duke, it came from ZUNU-1.
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Then, on March 1, the Commission likewise received a request from the Malaysian Embassy of another national
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who was being held against his will inside ZUNU-1.
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The letter was addressed initially to Mr. Duke.
24:37.2
The letter was addressed initially to our Executive Director.
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Then, later on, addressed to our Chairman, the Executive Secretary.
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That's the actual letter that was given, a request for assistance by the Malaysian Embassy.
24:54.2
So, are we aware po yung Embassy ng Malaysia dito sa Bamban Pogo Hub?
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Yes, Madam Chair.
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So, by March 1, the Vietnamese Embassy and the Malaysian Embassy were already requesting the assistance for their two nationals, Ma'am.
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This is the Malaysian National.
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He is now standing as a witness.
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He is being kept on safeguard.
25:22.2
Can we proceed, please?
25:25.2
So, these are some of the pictures that were sent by the Malaysian National to his embassy that served as our basis to apply for the warrant, Ma'am.
25:35.2
Let us proceed na po doon sa slides.
25:40.2
So, nakuha nga po tayo ng warrant as this is public knowledge by now.
25:45.2
So, if we may proceed to the next slides because there are some other important issues that may not have been seen by our Madam Chair.
25:54.2
So, ito nga po yung may mention ni Sen. Gatchal Yan.
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The Chinese Embassy informed us that in that particular ZUNU-1 technology are six fugitives from their territory.
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Can we proceed, please?
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And another Taiwanese national who is also a fugitive from the Republic of China.
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So, balip ito po ang fugitives sa loob ng ZUNU-1.
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Incidentally, doon din po sa smart web technology, meron din po tayo mga fugitives.
26:23.2
Doon din po sa iba pang mga nakikita natin, parang common thread po siya.
26:29.2
Can we proceed, please?
26:31.2
Ito po yung actual scam sites.
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So, yung una, yung malaking kahon, kung mapapansin ninyo po pag pumunta kayo ng bamban, yan po ay parang warehouse lang.
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Tambakan ng mga gamit ng pang-construction.
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Pero pag pinasok po ninyo yung call of looban, nandun po yung actual scamming na itinuro ng ating Malaysian witness.
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Yung maliit naman pong building na yon, sa baba po niyan ay may grocery po diyan.
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At yung second and third floor po niyan, yung actual scam site ng ating Vietnamese witness.
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Kaya doon siya nakatakas sa likod kasi katabi nung place of work niya.
27:09.2
Ito po yung actual na nakita nating scam site.
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Let us proceed po.
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May mga script po ng mga scamming.
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And the usual that we see in almost all of the raided POGOs.
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Multiple rows of Androids and iPhones that seems to be receptacles receiving cellphones ng kung anumang scamming activities nila.
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Can we proceed please?
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Iyan po yung mga nakikita natin.
27:39.2
Those are actual videos of Bamban.
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Let us proceed po.
27:44.2
Ito na yung actual cases that we're able to file.
27:47.2
So we filed human trafficking and serious illegal detention cases po against eight nationals including one Filipino national.
27:59.2
Ito pong foreign national case.
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Foreign nationals po na tuluyan po ang kanilang kaso with exception of Miss Milo, yung Filipino national naka for further investigation po sa kakulangan ng ebidensya.
28:17.2
At inamenda po natin ng information to include criminal forfeiture doon sa kasong silampan natin sa Kapas.
28:25.2
Let us proceed please.
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Sa ngayon po ay merong preservation order.
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In the eventuality that the Anti-Money Laundering Council actually files the civil forfeiture case against ZUNU-1 and the other vehicles and other valuables that we were able to find in the compound.
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And on March 3, nag-grunt po yung motion to break open natin at ito po yung nakita natin.
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Next slide please.
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Iyan yung actual na pagbe-break open.
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Nasa next slide po yung mga nakuha natin, yung inventaryo.
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So, 7.3 million and so on and so forth.
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Palagi na po namin nakikita na yung mga passports ay nakatago sa mga vaults.
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Tapos yung vaults, yung mga passports po na nakita ay hindi nakita doon sa area ng ZUNU-1, sa working area, kundi nakita doon sa mga villa.
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Sa mga personal villas ng mga bosses, ng mga managers.
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Let us proceed please.
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Anong tools ang ginagamit dyan sa video? Anong ginamit para buksan yung vaults?
29:35.2
Acetylene po, Madam Chair.
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Grinder po sana dapat.
29:43.2
Grinder ay mas high-tech?
29:45.2
No, ma'am. Mas effective.
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Ang acetylene po, delikado. In fact, may nasunog pong isang vault dyan.
29:50.2
So, bakit hindi grinder ginamit nyo? Bakit itong torch?
29:53.2
Nakakalungkot na nung araw nung pagbubukas ng mga vaults.
29:58.2
Lahat po ng mga grinders na itinabi namin at dapat namin gamitin ay nagkawalaan sa bayan ng Bamban.
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Maging yung mga taong aming unang nakausap na siyang mag-ooperate ng mga grinders ay hindi na po namin mahagilap.
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What do you mean, Doktor, nawala sa bayan ng Bamban? At sino yung mga taong yun at saan sila pumunta?
30:19.2
Do you know, they were attending a seminar.
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Hindi na po namin masyadong natanong yung mga detektor.
30:27.2
Nagtakalang kami na lahat sila nagkawalaan.
30:30.2
They excuse themselves to our inconvenience.
30:39.2
Pero mga private citizens ba sila? Ano sila naka-base?
30:45.2
Halo-halo po. Mga taga-bayan po sila ng Bamban.
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Initially po kasi may isang biernes na dapat po sila ay gagawin namin yung break-open.
30:56.2
Unfortunately, hindi po nabuo yung team namin.
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So we had to postpone it to another Monday.
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So okay na po yung usapan. On the next Monday, they would make themselves available.
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But when we arrived in Bamban in the early morning of that Monday, they were not available and we were informed that the grinders were nowhere to be found.
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And the persons who were supposed to operate were supposed to be attending a seminar.
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Who sponsored the seminar? We are unaware who.
31:24.2
Medyo nakakalungkot lang na nahirapan ho kami. Inapot na kami ng almost 10, 11 o'clock para mahanap yung mga asetilin.
31:34.2
Anong seminar yun?
31:36.2
Ang sabi lang sa amin, allegedly, LGU sponsored daw po yung seminar.
31:44.2
So malinaw mga kaibigan na nung araw po na itong Pogo Hub na ito sa bayan ng Bambantarlak,
31:53.2
ay papasukin itong mga operatiba.
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Meron po silang mga kausap doon mga kaibigan na ika nga ay gagamit sana sila ng mga bolt cutter.
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Meron silang mga grinder.
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Ang problema mga kaibigan, papano na nung araw na yun, isipin mo yun, di ba?
32:14.2
Nagkawalaan yung mga contractor na yun na sila sana ang bubutas ng mga bolt.
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Di ba? So nawala sila.
32:21.2
Ibig sabihin mga kaibigan, may merong tumimbre.
32:30.2
Ngayon, inaalam nila bakit nawala itong mga kinontrata nila, eh meron biglang seminar.
32:37.2
At hindi niya ma-point out kasi walang pwedeng tumistigo nun na yun ay sponsored ng LGU.
32:43.2
So yung mayor kasi ng Bambant, mga kaibigan, yun po yung sinasabi natin,
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na pakawalaan ng China. Di ba?
32:52.2
Kaya itong tawag nito, itong mayor na yan, ha?
33:00.2
Malamang mga kaibigan, may nakarating na intel sa kanya at lahat yun pinapull out.
33:05.2
Siguro pinagbabayaran yun ng higit na mas malaki.
33:08.2
Di ba? Eh kung sa hirap ng buhay ng tao ngayon mga kaibigan,
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papatusin talaga. Mabuti at nakakuha ng asitilin itong mga operatiba.
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So itatanong din natin.
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Itatanong din natin mga kaya.
33:19.2
But we had no opportunity to verify yung sinabing yun sa amin ng mga taong aming pinakaisapan.
33:26.2
At LGU din ba yung may-ari ng grinders?
33:29.2
Hindi ho. Ang mga grinders po na yun ay itinabi po namin doon sa compound ng Zone 1.
33:38.2
That is a very good question, Your Honor.
33:41.2
Alright, please proceed.
33:43.2
So, yung custody naman po,
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yung custody naman po ng compound at lahat ng mga valuables na nandun sa loob ay pinagkaloob sa pansamantalang custody yan ng Commission noong April 5
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with the court order by the Honorable Judge Hermine Hildo Dumlao, Branch 81 of Malolos RTC.
34:04.2
So, pinakangalagaan po namin yan. Kami po ay nagsasagawa ng inventaryo kasama po ang AMLs at iba pang mga ahensya.
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Kami din po ay isinara na namin yung compound.
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Na ang aming pakiusap ay wala na makakapasok doon kahit sino nang walang pahintulot ng Commission sapagkat nasa amin po ang responsibilidad na mapangalagaan ng integridad noong compound na ito.
34:30.2
On April 5 din po, gawa ng meroong mga dokumento tayo nakita na di umano ay may koneksyon ang kasalukuyang local chief executive binambamban sa operasyon ng D.U. Mano.
34:44.2
Sa operasyon ng Zunyuan at yung dating operasyon ng Hongsheng, ang ating SILG ay nagtalaga ng isang task force kung ano nga ba ang pananagutan kung meron man ang naturang chief executive ng Bamban.
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Ito po yung kasalukuyang isinasagawa pa namin. Marami po kaming nakita mga nakakalungkot na mga bagay-bagay sapagkat itong mga korporasyon po na ito, ito po ay mga kansiladong mga pogo.
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Pero sa aming document examination, exploitation sa loob ng Zunyuan, napakarami hong dokumento nagpapatunay na sila ay patuloy na nag-operate sa loob ng Bauhu despite the fact that they were cancelled.
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Katulad po yung number 4, Skycall. Kung hindi kami nagkakamali, yan po ay kansilado ng PAGCOR as early as 2020 or 2021, no?
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But despite their cancellation, so many documents including telephone bills.
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Telephone bills in the name of Skycall were found in Bauhu dating up until 2023.
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So kung meron kang telephone bill up until 2023, your guess is as good as mine.
35:59.2
Yung mga sasakyan din po ng Skycall, meron po tayong 6 na tatpuan sa loob ng Bauhu. Kung hindi po sila nag-exist, kung sila po ay nag-sist ng operation, nag-cancel na ng operation,
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bakit yung kanilang 6 na sasakyan ay nasa loob ng Bauhu compound nung na-rain po natin?
36:19.2
Patuloy lang, Doktor. Dahil nabanggit nyo na yung mga sasakyan. So gaya ng nabanggit nyo, may several vehicles registered sa pangalan ng Skycall Technologies na hanap sa loob ng Bauhu compound nung rain ninyo.
36:33.2
So batay sa research nyo, ano ba yung relasyon ng Skycall Technologies at saka Bauhu?
36:39.2
At this point, we have nothing definite yet. But what we could say at this point is, doon nila inilalagak yung kanilang mga sasakyan.
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So pwedeng napaka-sosyal naman po nung kanilang parking area. Nasa mga villas po yung parking areas ng Skycall.
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So ito nga po, dito ay medyo malalima ng aming investigasyon sapagkat,
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nakita po namin ito na merong koneksyon di umano ang kasalukuyang alkalde ng Bamban, si Mayor Guwo.
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Sapagkat nung 2020, nung siya po ay privadong mamamayan pa lamang, she was the one who applied for the letter of no objection doon sa sangguniang bayan ng Bamban for Tenhong Sheng.
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May mga dokumento po tayong nakita kasalukuyang bahagi ng aming investigasyon.
37:37.2
Na sa kabila ng pagkansila nung Hong Sheng nung Pebrero nung nakaraang taon sapagkat na-raid po sila ng CIDG Central Zone nung Pebrero nung 2023, patuloy po siyang nag-ooperate.
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In fact, may mga dokumento kaming nakita, nakapangalan sa Hong Sheng na sinisingil pa po siya ng kanilang mga PLDT, nung kanilang mga smart bills, and so on and so forth up until November of 2023.
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Kung ikaw ay nakansilan nung Pebrero, bakit patuloy?
38:07.2
Tuloy ka nag-ooperate hanggang nagbabayad ng mga bills up until 2023, November.
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Sino pong sinisingil Hong Sheng as a company o particular na tao?
38:16.2
Si Mr. Walter Wong Long. Nakapangalan sa kanya, Hong Sheng Gaming Corporation.
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So ayan nga po. Some of the documents that we found are in the name of these companies po.
38:33.2
Napakarami po nating dokumento.
38:36.2
Kahong-kahong dokumento po ang nakuha natin na bahagi ngayon ng ebidensya na magdidiin sa ilang mga korporasyon na di umano yung mga kansilado na.
38:46.2
Pero bakit marami pa silang mga dokumento at mga utilities na sinisingil up until 2023 sa loob ng BAUHU.
38:56.2
So ito po yung initial. Ito po yung nakuha nating certificate of registration sa SEC nung BAUHU land.
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At ang Hong Sheng Gaming. Tsaka ng BAUHU land development.
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Pero pagdating po noong 2022, ayon nga po sa pahayag ng ating mayora, nag-divest na daw di umano siya doon sa mga korporasyon na nabanggit dyan.
39:25.2
Kaya sa government information sheet po nila ng 2022, hindi na po natin makita ang pangalan ng butihing mayora dyan sa kanilang korporasyon na yan.
39:37.2
Pero up until June 2022 po, meron pa po nakita kami mga dokumento ng paniningil sa nagnangalang isang Ms. Alice Leal Guo na di umano kumakatawan sa BAUHU land development corporation.
39:55.2
Sinisingil po siya ng Arison.
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If I'm not mistaken, this is for housekeeping or maintenance company.
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So di umano ay nag-divest na sila mula doon sa kumpanya, pero nagbabayad pa rin ng ilang mga billings ng kumpanyang iyon din.
40:21.2
Yes, Madam Chair.
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So ito po ang aming ikinagulat sapagkat noong 14th of March, kami po ay nabutan ng Tarelco ng isang notice,
40:33.2
na ang compound ay nagkakautang ng hindi bababang 14 million po yata.
40:42.2
So ilang milyong pagkakautang at nakapangalan po mismo kay Mayor Alice Guo ng Pandan, Bamban.
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So dyan na po kami nagsimulang maghukay nung nakita po namin ang dokumentong yan.
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At isa nga po sa produkto ng aming paghuhukay ay meron kami nakitang isang sasakyan sa loob.
41:02.2
Na nakapangalan sa isang nag-angalang Alice L. Guo na isang limited edition na Ford Expedition yata kung di ako nagkakamali.
41:17.2
So ito po ang mga, may nakita rin po kami. Ito naman po ang mga open cases.
41:23.2
So maaaring ito ang mga indikasyon ng hindi pagbabayad ng income tax return para sa ilang mga empleyado,
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ng Hongsheng, ng Zunyuan, at magiging ng Baopulan Development Corporation.
41:36.2
Ang mas mainam po mga kasagot po niyan ay ang Bureau of Internal Revenue.
41:42.2
Ito po ang, ito po ang mukha ng big boss nung Zunyuan, si Wang Ziyang.
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Siya po ay merong tatlong pasaporte.
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At ayon sa ating impormasyon na nanggaling sa Bureau of Immigration, hindi pa po nakakalabas ng Pilipinas si Wang Ziyang.
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Siya po ay may passport ng Cyprus, may passport ng mainland China, at may passport po ng St. Kitts.
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At siya po ay fugitive. Meron pong ibinigay na warrant of arrest sa Bureau of Immigration sa PAOC, ang People's Republic of China para kay Mr. Wang Ziyang.
42:24.2
So ma-input ko lang ito mga kaibigan ha.
42:28.2
Input ko lang dito. My friend.
42:30.2
Na ito po ay, in my own, ano, opinion and base sa mga, mga, siyempre diba, mga nalalaman natin dito sa ganitong klaseng sistema.
42:45.2
Meron po itong passport ng China, ng iba't ibang Cyprus, ng ibang bansa mga kaibigan.
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Nangangahulugan po ito mga kaibigan na intelligence asset talaga ito ng China.
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Meron siyang kaso mula sa China.
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Ito po ang ibig sabihin yan.
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Nire-retrieve siya ng bansa niya.
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Pinapalabas na siya ay pugante, siya ay may kaso sa China.
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Pero kung gusto siyang kunin ng China para hindi siya makuha ng Pilipinas at hindi siya kumanta.
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Kasi marami na itong alam eh.
43:22.2
Therefore, binigyan nila ng kaso ito. Kunyari, may kaso.
43:26.2
Kukunin na namin.
43:27.2
Pero ang totoo, asset namin ito.
43:29.2
Ang totoo, bahagi ito ng aming military asset.
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Ganon po ang pagkakaintindi natin nito.
43:39.2
Siya daw yung big boss mga kaibigan na tumatayo dun sa sinasabi nating Pogo Hub dyan sa Bambantarlac.
43:48.2
So I think in our own conspiracy theory, talagang kasabuat din ito ng mayoral.
43:56.2
Diyan po sa Bamban.
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Sa paikipagtulungan ng ating intelligence community, natukoy po natin kung nasaan po siya.
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Yun nga lamang napakahirap po niya talagang matuntun sapagkat ayon sa ating mga sources, siya po ay gumagamit ng helicopter sa pag-iikot para makatakas.
44:14.2
Maraming salamat po.
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Maraming salamat, Doktor.
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Well, marami rin akong follow-up questions.
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At malamang pati si Sen. Sherwin.
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So we will continue with those.
44:28.2
Salamat dun sa presentation.
44:32.2
Naunahan nyo na rin yung isang follow-up questions ko na ano yung nag-trigger nung raid.
44:38.2
So kung tama yung pagkaintindi ko sa presentation nyo, ang nag-trigger ay mismo yung call for help nung Vietnamese National na si Elias Dani.
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At pati yung request mula sa Malaysian Embassy in the Philippines.
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Tama po, yun po yung dalawang mitsa, kumbaga.
44:55.2
You're correct, Madam Chair.
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And na-anticipate nyo na rin yung isa ko pang follow-up questions pero dagdagan ko ng konti dahil meron pong mga dokumentong nakalap gaya sa presentation nyo that would seem to implicate the Mayor of Bamban.
45:14.2
And ipakita ko yung ilan pa siguro dito ngayon. Kinukumpirman nyo po ba na galing ito sa nakuha nyo sa raid?
45:23.2
Okay. So ito na-present nyo na kanina, yung resolution interposing no objection to the application of Ms. Alice Guo for Franchise License Permit of Hongsheng Gaming Technology.
45:45.2
So isa po ito sa pin-resent nyo kanina, no? So galing sa raid.
45:53.2
So ito naman po ay mula sa Office of the Sangguniang Bayan and of the Municipal Mayor, respectively. Parehong, yung isa taong 2019 at yung isa taong 2020.
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So yung una, reclaan ordinance reclassifying a total of 79,218 square meters.
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Property of Ms. Alice Guo located in Barangay Anapol from agricultural to residential and commercial use to serve as site for residential subdivision and office building.
46:37.2
So diyan din po lumalabas apparently yung ganong kalaki yung compound. Tama po ba? 7.9 hectares?
46:45.2
Madam Chair, yung dokumento po ay hindi ho nang galing sa amin. Wala ho kaming ganyang dokumento.
46:53.2
Alright. So we received these from the Office of the Mayor.
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And the second, mula sa Office of the Municipal Mayor, dated year 2020, tungkol sa isang pulong.
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Held with Hongsheng Gaming Technology, represented by Ms. Alice Guo, identifying Hongsheng Gaming Technology, Inc., and signifying the corporation's intention to engage in, conduct, maintain, and maintain the
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and signify the corporation's intention to engage in, conduct, maintain, and maintain the
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and signify the corporation's intention to engage in, conduct, maintain, and maintain the
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and signify the corporation's intention to engage in, conduct, maintain, and operate a business of amusement, entertainment, and recreation activities.
47:31.2
Alright. So I know, Doctor, there were calls for DILG to conduct a probe on the Mayor of Bamban, Mayor Alice Guo.
47:43.2
And bukod po sa naipresent nyo na, perhaps I should ask this better of DILG.
47:48.2
And bukod po sa naipresent nyo na, perhaps I should ask this better of DILG.
47:51.2
And bukod po sa naipresent nyo na, perhaps I should ask this better of DILG.
48:01.2
So, sa pagkakaalam nyo po ba, ASEC, may mga findings na ba sa probe na iyon?
48:06.2
So, sa pagkakaalam nyo po ba, ASEC, may mga findings na ba sa probe na iyon?
48:07.2
Magandang araw po! Good morning, Madam Chair. Good morning, Hon. Sen. Wynne Gacharian.
48:15.2
Thank you very much for giving us this opportunity, Madam Chair.
48:18.2
Thank you very much for giving us this opportunity, Madam Chair.
48:19.2
As far as that question is concerned, ma'am, we have already conducted our backfinding inquiry or a probe on this incident
48:28.1
now allegedly involving some local government officials of the municipality of Banman.
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Now, basically, the department, through an order of the secretary, last April 5, 2024,
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now formed a task force to conduct this backfinding probe or inquiry.
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And basically, we consumed an episode of a few days, April 11 to 12,
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where the task force, where the backfinding team conducted the investigation, madam chair.
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And just to abbreviate our reply, we are done with our recommendation.
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As a matter of fact, we have already submitted our recommendation to the office of the ombudsman
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because we believe that that agency of the government is basically competent to cause the potential prosecution
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of those now whom in our findings we find potential violations to have been committed.
49:22.2
Madam chair, if you will excuse us, we submitted a copy of the backfinding investigation report that the DILG conducted.
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And if you will notice in the report that we submitted, we did not include our recommendation for the possible violations.
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Now, for sure that we might be preempting.
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Now, in the conduct of its own evaluation on whether or not a probable cause exists against those government officials
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now whom we implicated in our investigation.
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And again, we also would like to thank the good Senator Wynne Gatchelian
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now for that directive for the DILG to conduct investigation.
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Although we have to clarify our point here insofar as the authority of the department to conduct
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or to proceed with this investigation.
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So, we have to clarify our point here insofar as the authority of the department to conduct investigation.
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Although we have to clarify our point here insofar as the authority of the department to conduct investigation.
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Now, it is just unfortunate that under our present set up in the political landscape that we have right now,
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now, the department basically is not that authorized.
50:25.6
The proper description is we are not basically endowed with disciplinary authority
50:32.2
now, vis-a-vis local government officials.
50:34.2
Now, particularly the elective ones.
50:36.2
Now, because this particular authority was given to other agencies of the government.
50:41.2
So, just to abbreviate, Madam Chair,
50:43.6
the Office of the Ombudsman and the Office of the President and the appropriate Sanggunians,
50:48.6
now, who under the local government code and under Republic Act 6770
50:52.6
are authorized to cause the disciplinary investigations of those erring public service that we have.
50:59.6
Although, we cannot also deny the fact that the department of the Secretary
51:04.6
was given that delegated authority by the President
51:07.6
not to exercise the power of general supervision.
51:10.6
Now, that power of general supervision is merely
51:13.6
conduit now for the Secretary to probably initiate
51:17.6
or animate the actual agencies of the government to conduct this actual investigation.
51:23.6
So, at this point in time, we just would like to clarify basic misconceptions on the part of the public
51:29.6
that the department can impose disciplinary penalties
51:33.6
or even cause the preventive suspension of some local elective officials
51:37.6
because unfortunately under our present law,
51:40.6
now, this particular authority is not extant.
51:43.6
And again, now, please forgive me from articulating this view, Madam Chair.
51:49.6
Now, considering that this is an investigation in aid of legislation,
51:53.6
now, this is really one point that I find very timely to articulate
51:59.6
a very important position insofar as the department is concerned.
52:02.6
Now, the DILG is a very critical agency of the government
52:05.6
considering the multitude of sectors that are placed within the envelope of its oversight.
52:12.6
Now, unfortunately, this power of oversight does not include
52:15.6
the power of conducting investigations.
52:18.6
In other words, we don't have disciplinary authority, I mean.
52:21.6
So, unlike the Office of the Ombudsman,
52:23.6
unlike the appropriate Sanggunian,
52:25.6
unlike the Office of the President,
52:27.6
now, the department cannot even impose preventive suspension.
52:30.6
We cannot even cause the conduct of disciplinary investigation
52:34.6
against potential erring public officers.
52:37.6
And this is really one particular gap
52:42.6
or hole in the arsenal of the department
52:44.6
which probably we would like to solicit a possible review
52:48.6
on the part of the Senate or the Congress
52:51.6
and possibly try to determine if it is really appropriate
52:55.6
that the department should be endowed with that kind of authority,
52:58.6
if only for us to be able to help the government in its campaign
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of ridding our government with unfit public servants, Madam Chair.
53:07.6
Thank you very much.
53:08.6
Thank you, Asek. Point very well taken.
53:11.6
Lalo na nga dahil in aid of legislation
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yung aming mga investigasyon dito sa Senado.
53:16.6
So, bukod po doon sa usapin ng pag-impose ng preventive suspension,
53:21.6
na sabi niyo nga, ibang mga opisina sa ngayon,
53:24.6
sa ilalim ng batas, ang may ganong kapangyarihan,
53:27.6
are you at liberty, is the department at liberty
53:30.6
to tell the committee kung ano yung at least key findings
53:35.6
ng inyong fact-finding ng task force
53:38.6
at ano yung mga pinaka-importanting recommendations?
53:41.6
At tungkol sa kaninong mga officials ang mga implications niyan?
53:47.6
Well, the fact-finding committee was able to recommend to the Secretary
53:56.6
some notable results that would really implicate government officials
54:01.6
in the reciprocity of Bamban.
54:03.6
Now, we basically found out that
54:10.6
what certain local government officials were privy to certain violations.
54:16.6
So, I can just convey a general finding, Madam Chair.
54:22.6
Now, because everything has already been forwarded to the Office of the Ombudsman,
54:26.6
but we do believe that certain local government officials,
54:30.6
particularly those who are responsible for policy formulations
54:34.6
and those in the Sanggunians,
54:36.6
could be held liable for potential violation,
54:38.6
not only for administrative violations,
54:40.6
but even for possible criminal violation.
54:43.6
In the light of Republic Act 3019,
54:46.6
especially in the particular perspective of causing undue injury to the government
54:50.6
through evident bad faith and manifest partiality, Madam Chair.
54:55.6
Salamat, Asek. At meron din ba kayong pwedeng i-sabihin sa amin na general recommendations
55:03.6
dun sa sinubmit niyo kay Secretary?
55:06.6
Or rather, to the Office of the Ombudsman?
55:10.6
Well, in general, some local government officials were,
55:14.6
based on our benchmark and standards,
55:17.6
were found guilty of administrative malfeasance like misconduct in office.
55:22.6
Well, many of them did not perform their duties
55:26.6
in accordance with the directives and the prescriptions of the local government code.
55:31.6
Now, we did ferret out violations
55:35.6
on top officials occupying the executive branch of the local government unit
55:40.6
and also from the legislative department.
55:43.6
After that point, Madam Chair,
55:45.6
we can share probably the recommendations or the findings of the committee.
55:52.6
well, you cannot say that that is basically the correct recommendation,
55:55.6
but somehow we back up our findings with concrete evidentiary support.
56:00.6
Now, based on the multitudes of interviews that were conducted by the members of the PAC findings,
56:05.6
we can say that the recommendations were not in line with the recommendations of the Executive Committee.
56:10.6
And we basically observed the rights of those who were involved in the investigation
56:14.6
and everything has been submitted to the Office of the Ombudsman.
56:18.6
And we expect objective also, objective evaluation also from the Office of the Ombudsman
56:23.6
because we do believe that there is strength in our recommendation, Madam Chair.
56:28.6
Huling follow-up na lamang at this point dun po sa sinubmit niyong report.
56:33.6
So si Mayor po ba ang pinatutungkulan ninyo?
56:36.6
Yes, Madam Chair.
56:40.6
At this point, Sen. Sherwin,
56:42.6
since inacknowledge ni ng department na request din ninyo ang nagpasimula ng investigation,
56:49.6
do you want to jump in now with your follow-up questions or may I proceed later?
56:54.6
Thank you, Sen. Sherwin.
56:56.6
So gusto kong itanong yung tungkol sa ano,
57:03.6
sa chief ng CIDG and CRFU.
57:06.6
Si Col. George Buyacaw, tama po ba?
57:13.6
Supported by PAOC, si Col. Buyacaw yung in-charge noon sa ZUN-U1 operations?
57:20.6
Who can take that?
57:23.6
Yes, Madam Chair.
57:25.6
Siya po yung officer in-charge during the raid at ZUN-U1.
57:32.6
So tama po ba na malaki yung tulong niya sa inyong operasyon
57:36.6
at yung mga tao niya ang instrumental sa pagkalap ng mga ebidensya laban sa mga key players?
57:44.6
Actually, sila po yung pinaka-lead agency na ginamit namin from the Philippine National Police
57:49.6
and also the one who applied for the search warrant is coming from CIDG and CRFU.
57:57.6
Pero tama po ba na itong si Col. Buyacaw, bire-leave?
58:01.6
I saw the relief order in the online platform of the PNP, Ma'am.
58:08.6
And perhaps as to the original copy of the relief order, Ma'am, we can ask the PNP personnel.
58:16.6
Yun, mga kaibigan, yung sinasabi ko, mga kaibigan.
58:21.6
Yung colonel po na trumabaho nito ng raid po ng Pogo dyan po sa Bambantarlac,
58:31.6
siya po yung inalis pa dyan po sa kanyang posisyon, mga kaibigan.
58:38.6
Siya po yung nagli-lead na mag-raid nito, na mag-intelligence gathering.
58:44.6
Pero siya po ay inalis, mga kaibigan, dyan sa kanyang ikang trabaho dyan po sa pag-operate nitong Pogo.
58:56.6
Tuloy muna natin.
59:01.6
Tuloy muna natin, ha?
59:03.6
We'll do that po. Pero sino po yung nag-relieve sa kanya?
59:08.6
Yung director po ng CIDG, Ma'am. That was Brigadier General, Major General Romeo Karamat.
59:19.6
Alright. Now, kasunod ng pag-relieve na yan kay Col. Boyacow, so anong mga hakbang yung pwedeng gawin
59:30.6
para ipagpatuloy pa rin yung investigasyon saka yung prosecution ng mga responsible dun sa Zuniwan operations?
59:39.6
Basically, Ma'am, they are in charge in preparation of the documents for the filing of cases.
59:46.6
And for the document examination, Ma'am, we're actually using them.
59:51.6
But since they are now assigned in par-plan areas like Mindanao, Visayas,
59:59.6
so kailangan papupuntahin pa po namin sila rito sa Metro Manila through aeroplano, Ma'am.
60:06.6
So ang kinatatakot lang po namin dito, Ma'am, baka masira po yung kaso kung hindi po sila kaagad-agad makakarating for the hearing during the trial, Ma'am.
60:18.6
Oh, I certainly, knowing how yung mga ganong resource persons or witnesses, napakahalaga kahit sa mga investigasyon namin dito sa Senado,
60:27.6
I really hope na he can make himself and he can be made available para sa patuloy ng mga pagtrabaho n'yo.
60:34.6
Dun po sa nabalitaan n'yo sa sabi niyo website lamang, yung pag-relieve kay Col. Boyaco, may dahilan ba na nakalagay dun? Bakit siya ni-relieve?
60:47.6
Normally, Ma'am, it's assignment and reassignment lang po nakalagay dun.
60:49.6
But as to the reason why he was relieved, hindi naman po nakasulat dun.
60:54.6
Baka this is a good doctor.
60:56.6
This is a good time before we continue with our questions to ask the PNP, sino po ba ang pwedeng matanong kung ano po yung dahilan ng pag-relieve kay Colonel Boyacow?
61:09.1
Lalo na pagkatapos ng mukhang isang napaka-fruitful naman na operation. Sino po ba ang makasasagot? Will it be Police Brigadier General Carriaga or will it be Police Brigadier General Hidalgo, sir?
61:26.6
Madam Chair, not within our level to know the reason why Colonel Boyacow was relieved as NCR-CIDG.
61:36.7
Yes, sir. So, posible po ba during this hearing maitanong po sa National Headquarters ba or at least sa CIDG kung ano yung dahilan? Curious po yung komite, ano yung dahilan na nire-relieve si Colonel Boyacow?
61:56.6
Madam Chair, probably the CIDG chief or the DPRM could answer the reason, ma'am.
62:04.8
Could the good Police Brigadier General do the committee a favor to... Susulat po ang chair sa kanila pero at least during the rest of this hearing, could the good General do the committee the favor of communicating initially, directly sa kanila para lang bago tayo matapos ngayong araw?
62:24.8
May some kind of...
62:26.6
General understanding kung ano yung naging dahilan?
62:34.6
Yes, Madam Chair.
62:36.3
Maraming salamat, General, sir. And tama po ba na yung local PNP ay nasa ilalim ng Mayor's Office? Tama po ba yun?
62:46.0
Madam Chair, the local chief executive has the operational supervision and control over the local PNP, Madam Chair.
62:52.6
So, does that include relief of...
62:56.6
Police officers in the area? It does not, no?
63:01.6
That is included, Madam Chair.
63:04.1
So, it is included. Alright. So, maybe the committee will also ask the Mayor in a while kung may kaalaman sila bakit nire-relieve si Colonel Boyacow. But the Chair will still wait for the assistance of the good General.
63:20.4
Madam Chair, excuse me po. Doon lang po sa local, involved yung may authority yung local chief executive, not internationally.
63:26.6
Sorry, could you say that again, sir?
63:30.2
Doon lang, ma'am, sa local police, may jurisdiction yung local chief executive, but not in the national level. Like that of the relief of Colonel Boyacow.
63:40.8
Alright, I understand. So, talagang essential po makatanggap ng feedback mula sa national headquarters sa KRAME, at least initially, para lang mas malinawa ng kahit kaunti ang lahat dito ngayon, bakit nire-relieve si Colonel Boyacow.
63:56.6
The Chair will await that with the appreciation, sir.
64:00.9
We'll comply, Madam Chair.
64:03.7
Just to continue with the questions for PAOK bago tayo dumako, Kina Mayor.
64:13.9
Well, na-present nyo na rin kanina, USEC, sa presentation ni Dr. Cascio, yung tungkol sa mga sasakyan.
64:21.7
And then, sige, mag-pull out.
64:28.2
Sa inyong mahabang karanasan sa mga scam hubs na ito, o yung mga pogo, kung saan nagsusuot, nagtatago yung mga scam hubs, ano-anong klaseng mga krimen ang nalilink sa mga illegal pogos?
64:40.5
Or kahit sa mga legal na pogo, pero yung pala...
64:43.0
Okay, mga kaibigan, ano, bago tayo mag-iba ng tema ng pagre-review, mga kaibigan,
64:50.5
ah, yung pangyayari po,
64:56.6
no, ah, lahat po ng intelligence gathering, mga kaibigan, napakahira po niyan.
65:03.5
Alam naman po, kahit hindi po tayo mga polis, kahit hindi po tayo mga sundalo,
65:08.0
mahirap po mag-operate, mga kaibigan, ng isang kriminal, ng isang criminal organization, o ng isang criminal, ah, personality.
65:20.2
Ngayon, ah, itong pogo, mga kaibigan, para malaman mo na mapasok mo yan,
65:25.9
kailangan, mga kaibigan, tatrabahuin mo yan. Matagal po yun.
65:29.8
Kailangan, meron kang, ah, meron kang intelligence, meron kang, ah, papapasukin dyan,
65:37.8
meron kang asset, ang tawag dyan, mga kaibigan, na mamonitor mo muna kung positive sa loob,
65:44.7
bago po makakuha, mga kaibigan, ng tinatawag na search warrant.
65:51.0
Hindi po basta-bastang pwedeng mag-search warrant ka lang dyan.
65:55.9
Kung wala kang, ano, kasi pag nasunog yan, hindi mo na mauuulit.
66:00.6
Ang ibig sabihin ng sunog, mga kaibigan,
66:03.4
nag-search itong si operatiba,
66:06.6
then later, nung pagpasok niya, mga kaibigan, wala siyang nakuha.
66:10.4
So, na-in na mga ebidensya, wala siyang napatunayan.
66:14.6
Therefore, mga kaibigan, next time, hindi na siya pwedeng makakuha ulit,
66:18.6
basta-basta ng search warrant.
66:22.8
itong Colonel Boyacow, tinrabaho niya,
66:25.6
yung number of villas,
66:28.6
ano ang mga operations,
66:30.3
ano-ano mga pangalan ng mga kumpanya na nandyan.
66:33.6
May idea na siya.
66:34.7
Basically, mga kaibigan,
66:36.1
ang isa pong hepe ng operatiba,
66:40.2
May idea na siya.
66:41.7
Ang kailangan niya,
66:47.3
gawing niyang formal.
66:49.0
Yung pag-akit sa kaso, sa korte,
66:55.6
kailangan niya talaga ng actual na raid.
66:58.2
May mga kopya na yan.
67:01.1
mayroon ng mga kopya yan,
67:02.6
ng mga tinatawag na ebidensya.
67:05.1
Ang problema, mga kaibigan,
67:06.9
hindi mo yan pwedeng gamitin sa korte
67:10.8
ng wala pong pahintulot.
67:14.2
Wala pong legitimate operation.
67:16.3
Alimbawa, mga kaibigan,
67:18.2
yung batas po ng anti-wiretapping law.
67:21.6
Kung mayroon pong nag-send sa akin ng mga documents
67:29.9
eh, hindi po natin pwedeng gamitin yun sa korte
67:32.5
kasi may anti-wiretapping law,
67:35.3
mayroon pong pahintulot,
67:36.8
no, nang nag-send.
67:39.2
Mayroon pong consent.
67:41.8
Pero, ibig sabihin,
67:43.9
hindi ka pwedeng basta-basta gumamit lang
67:45.4
ng ebidensya sa korte.
67:48.1
kailangan mong trabahuin,
67:49.4
kahit na may nagsubmit na sa'yo
67:50.7
ng mga ebidensya,
67:51.7
kailangan mong pasukin
67:52.9
yung vicinity na yun.
67:54.6
So, itong ginawa po
67:56.7
ng Colonel Buyakaw na ito,
68:03.0
Binantayan po nila,
68:04.1
kinordo nila yung lugar,
68:06.9
noong unang raid nila,
68:08.0
para maintindihan lang po
68:09.1
ng mga kaibigan natin dito,
68:11.2
pinasok po nila ito,
68:14.7
wala silang nahuli
68:15.6
dahil po mayroon tunnel
68:17.0
itong facility na ito
68:20.8
Ang tawag po nila doon
68:25.4
ng tunnel na yun,
68:26.6
kapag may nag-raid,
68:27.6
papasok lahat ng mga tao
68:31.3
Ngayon, mga kaibigan,
68:32.8
ang nakikita po natin dito,
68:34.4
dahil kung hindi nyo po
68:37.6
napanood itong kabuwan ng video,
68:40.6
doon po sa presentation
68:43.3
mayroon po isang Vietnamese
68:44.7
na nagtatrabaho po doon
68:46.3
sa Pogo sa Bambantarlak
68:49.9
Kaya nakakuha sila
68:50.9
ng magandang intel,
68:56.3
na mayroong tunnel
68:57.4
dahil may nakatakas po.
68:60.0
Yung nakatakas na yun,
69:02.8
yun ang nagsabi sa mga pulis
69:04.4
na mayroong tunnel
69:05.9
na how they operate.
69:10.3
conspiracy theory,
69:18.2
Filipino citizen,
69:22.7
Yung retired daw po
69:25.4
na nandun lang po
69:27.1
sa tabi ng property
69:33.4
dito sa Vietnamese na ito.
69:35.7
Pumasok siya sa property na yun eh.
69:38.0
So, US, Filipino citizen yun.
69:40.5
Hindi niya binigay
69:41.5
itong Vietnamese na to.
69:43.6
So, in my own conspiracy theory,
69:49.3
na hindi po natin pwedeng masabi
69:51.3
kung positive o negative.
69:53.4
hindi aamin ng America.
69:57.0
itong mga intelligence gathering na to,
69:59.3
baka tinatrabaho na ng America ito.
70:01.8
Dahil naalaman nila,
70:03.6
Kung hindi nyo po,
70:04.6
kung gusto nyo po mapanood
70:05.7
yung mga pahayag po ng mayor,
70:07.9
naalaman po nila,
70:08.9
ultimo po yung mga chopper
70:11.6
sinasabi po nating part din
70:20.8
na naging mayor po
70:24.4
So, lahat po ng mga galaw nila dyan,
70:27.8
in my own conspiracy theory,
70:30.3
tinatrabaho na rin ito ng America.
70:33.7
So, binibigay ito sa
70:38.0
meron pong investigation dito.
70:39.9
Now, ang masakit,
70:48.4
ganun sila katibay,
70:54.6
dyan sa pag-ooperate
70:57.0
Hindi naman po tanggal
71:06.9
sa pagtatrabaho dyan.
71:12.9
sa kanyang trabaho
71:17.0
Ang dahilan lang,
71:22.6
sa iba't ibang parte
71:27.1
operatiba ng polis.
71:28.3
Nagiging kalakalan po yan.
71:31.2
Kung matino ang polis,
71:33.6
May trabaho siya,
71:34.6
may nasagasaan siya.
71:38.6
Yung mga tauhan niya,
71:39.9
hinihiwalay sa kanya.
71:42.9
hindi naintindihan
71:47.7
May sarili po akong tauhan
71:49.1
ng mga pinipik ko
71:50.0
na may tiwala ako.
71:53.5
isang malaking sindikato,
71:55.4
conspiracy theory,
71:56.7
at may koneksyon yun
71:57.8
sa loob ng gobyerno,
72:04.2
yun ang magdidikta ngayon
72:05.4
na sirain yung grupo ko.
72:10.4
yung impluensya po
72:13.3
dito po sa ating bayan.
72:20.3
conspiracy theory, ha?
72:24.7
ginagamitan ko yan
72:25.8
ng salitang conspiracy theory
72:27.1
dahil may hirap na.
72:28.4
So, nagpapasok po sila
72:32.3
armed forces asset,
72:34.5
ng kanilang intelligence,
72:36.9
sa ating politika,
72:38.5
ginawa nilang mayor
72:43.4
And then, later on,
72:44.7
nagtatag sila ng negosyo
72:50.7
mga hacking incident,
72:54.9
website ng Pilipinas,
72:57.9
na yung mga IP address,
73:00.7
dyan galing mismo
73:07.1
na nasa bamban tarlak.
73:09.0
At ang nag-apply po
73:10.4
para po ma-aprobahan
73:18.1
mayor po ng bamban
73:20.9
Na yung sinasabi nga natin
73:26.5
yan yung nag-apply.
73:31.5
dini-deny-deny niya
73:33.8
Ultimong educational niya,
73:35.5
hindi niya masabi kung
73:36.5
paano siya gumraduate,
73:37.8
paano siya nag-ara,
73:38.7
lagi sinasabi niya,
73:39.6
tutorial na sa bahay,
73:41.2
sino magulang niya,
73:42.8
yung mga kapangalan
73:44.4
hindi ni-deny niya,
73:47.5
panoorin niya yan,
73:48.4
pwede kong i-attach yung
73:50.7
pagkatapos itong,
73:52.6
pagkatapos itong video na ito,
73:54.0
i-attach ko dyan sa
74:03.5
pag natapos po yung video.
74:05.4
Yun po yung dahilan,
74:08.7
kung bakit po natin alaman
74:19.6
nagpapanggap sila
74:24.3
bago pa man po pumasok
74:25.9
ang POGO operation
74:29.9
binabatikos na po
74:45.3
Chinese assets yan.
74:53.3
sinasabi ko na na,
75:03.0
ng mga property po
75:05.6
dyan sa makapagal.
75:09.6
sinasabi po natin
75:13.4
sa Roas Boulevard,
75:21.8
Kung maaalalan nyo,
75:23.3
lalim na ng video natin
75:26.5
binibili po nila,
75:32.0
ito pong property
75:35.0
recreational park,
75:37.1
para po may pasyalan
75:38.4
sana dyan sa Cavite,
75:40.1
nasa lulo na nila
75:41.9
ng recreational park
75:44.0
binenta po sa Pogo Hub.
75:46.3
Kinonvert na po nila
75:47.9
buildings-buildings na.
75:51.8
ito ang malupit dyan.
76:05.9
kundi yung ibang bansa din
76:07.2
at ginagamit nila,
76:14.7
anything is possible
76:15.8
using the technology.
76:18.8
may mga paraan po
76:23.3
mga hackers na ito
76:31.6
dyan po sa sistema
76:33.0
ng bawat gobyerno
76:38.3
sa katulad nating bansa,
76:39.9
lalo na sa Pilipinas,
76:44.6
kung meron silang
76:45.4
gagawing kalokohan
76:46.7
sa iba't ibang bansa,
76:49.2
ng mga bansa na yun
76:51.9
sino pong gumawa?
76:56.4
mga pinakawalan nilang
76:59.1
na nagpapanggap po
77:00.9
sa pamamagitan po
77:06.0
Paano po nagsimula
77:07.0
ang lahat ng ito,
77:09.2
Noong pinapasok po
77:11.5
Rodrigo Roa Duterte,
77:15.9
dito sa ating bayan.
77:29.3
yung mga ganitong
77:30.0
klaseng operatiba
77:31.0
katulad ni Colonel
77:33.6
ang trabaho niya,
77:35.1
may mga naaresto.
78:01.3
Can you believe that?
78:07.5
tinanggal pa siya.
78:09.1
Siya na yung dahilan
78:14.0
at nahubara natin ito,
78:16.4
ng tarlak na ito,
78:18.3
ang kanyang identity
78:24.0
gumagawa ng trabaho
78:26.7
siya pa yung inilipat,
78:28.3
siya pa yung nire-lead,
78:37.0
i-attach ko po dito
78:38.1
sa ating end screen,
78:47.0
Sinasakop na po tayo,
78:53.1
ng komunist ng China.
78:55.3
Pero kung titignan nyo,
78:57.1
ano nangyayari sa atin?
78:59.4
Pinapatunahin lang ba
79:05.3
Madali tayong mabili,
79:06.6
madali tayong mapasok,
79:07.9
pipitsugin lang talaga tayo?
79:11.5
yung ano dyan, eh,
79:12.2
malaking question sa atin.
79:15.9
yung komento nyo,
79:17.0
anong inyong pananaw
79:18.9
i-comment nyo dyan
79:20.3
sa ating comment section,
79:22.0
maraming salamat sa mag-share,
79:24.4
at magsa-subscribe
79:25.2
kung hindi pa naapag-subscribe
79:26.8
ng iba nating mga kababayan.
79:32.5
ang ating mahalagang
79:34.9
sa napakalagang paksang ito,
79:38.5
ng matinong pulis,
79:39.8
yung matinong pulis na yon,
79:43.4
sa malalayong lugar.
