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Hi, I have sort of a dense question over the use of the object a

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Author Photo by: matthewreichle
Feb 24 2020, 2:24pm CST ~ 4 years ago. 
Hi, I have sort of a dense question over the use of the object and benefactor forms...
 
So I understand that there are 4 possible prefixes/postfixes for the object form i.e., (-in), (i-), (-an) or (ma-). That being said, my question is how do you know which prefix/postfix goes with what root word? Is it like the actor focused form where -um- and mag- are just randomly assigned to any verb and you just have to memorize it, with the exception of a few root words like "punta" where both can be used...or is it possible to just freely attach them to any root word in which Im trying to achieve the object form.
 
Same question goes with the beneficiary form. Where (ipag-), (-an) or (i-) are possible choices?
 
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Badge: AdminBadge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Feb 24 2020, 2:51pm CST ~ 4 years ago. 
It's kind of random to me...I mean, there are patterns that are more common...but often times you just need to learn which root uses which affix in which form.
 
Sometimes a verb will have both an -in and an -an form, for example. Sometimes it will only have one or the other. Another example, "tawagan" is to call someone on the phone, and "tawagin" is to call out to someone...there is no affix rule that would predict this difference. Same with something like "umisip" and "mag-isip"... A lot of times you might be able to kind of guess based on rules...but you really need a reference to confirm...the differences can be too subtle to easily grasp, in my opinion. For example, "iakyat" = to bring something up (eg, bring a box upstairs), whereas "akyatin" is to climb/go up something (eg, the Eiffel tower).
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Feb 24 2020, 4:45pm CST ~ 4 years ago. 
“Tagalog Verb Dictionary” by Michael Hawkins and Rhodalyne Gallo-Crail is a good resource. It’s available on Amazon in both Kindle and paperback for ~13 USD. However, as @TLDCAdmin says, a lot of it is a matter of learning and practice usage.
 
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Feb 24 2020, 10:39pm CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@Diegocorry
Another useful one is an older book (1980s-ish?), the “Handbook of Verbs, Inflections, Modes and Aspects” by Ramos & Bautista.
 
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Feb 24 2020, 10:45pm CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@matthewreichle @Diegocorry
 
Also, as another reference, if you look up a verb in the dictionary on this website (TLDC) and look at the full page entry for the word...then scroll down a little and look where it says “Verb Family.”
There it will show you related verbs with the same root.
 
The green boxes next to the verbs also give you some guidance about how common those verbs are (more boxes = more common) based on our site’s database of 24 million words of sample texts.
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Feb 25 2020, 2:44am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@TLDCAdmin As much as I use this site, I seem to have overlooked the “full page entry” feature - very nice!
 
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Author Photo BilabilangTimawa Badge: Native Tagalog Speaker
Feb 26 2020, 5:56pm CST ~ 4 years ago. 
I think it also depends on regional dialects. Likes in my mother hometown in Mindoro. They mostly uses the prefix "Ma-" in every verb. (Esp. future tenses)
For example: "MApunta," equivalent to the common tagalog: "PUpunta." Both means: "Going"
Although, Mindoro is from southern Tagalog region, still uses Tagalog, but with different accent and most probably, they uses older terminologies. I believe both; mapunta and pupunta are still considered usable in Filipino language.. But "pupunta" is much preferred especially in Metro Manila. "MApunta" would be used occationally in literature by some, and IF you are in Southern Tagalog region.
 
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