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Author Photo by: akosikoneho Rating: 0
Jan 05 2020, 6:30pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
List of entries with sentences?
 
I've the bad habit of using the mouse over dict, and not the onsite dict. I've noticed that I miss out on a lot of fun example sentences. Any way to get a list of words (roots or derived forms) that have sentences?
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 7:59am CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
@akosikoneho Hmmm...about 21% of the dictionary entries have example sentences with them, so that would be a pretty large list (several thousand entries)...
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 11:50am CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
@TLDCAdmin That sounds *perfect* haha. I got the big green book on loan from open library but my tiny laptop is awful. They have about 30,000 entries with sentences. Would love to get my hands on TLDC's sentences to use in TLDC's flashcard program.
 
Also good to see you back.
 
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 11:55am CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
Yeah, had to take a bit of break, too much going on for the holidays!
 
What is the "big green book"?
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 2:28pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
@TLDCAdmin
 
www.nationalbookstor e.com/books/non-fict ion/reference/filipi no-dictionaries
 
Great book but its about 20x its original MSRP, and out of print.
 
openlibrary.org/book s/OL27263933M/Tagalo g-English_dictionary
 
Is the copy I have on loan from openlibrary. It makes me want to get a bigger/second screen so I can use it comfortably!
 
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 2:47pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
@akosikoneho
Ahh, OK...I was able to pick up a decent copy of this dictionary a couple years ago from Amazon.com for about $16 bucks, so I guess I was lucky! His example sentences are very useful...
 
The dictionary here focuses more on example sentences verbs (since they tend to get misused more often, in my opinion) and we've been working through them after ranking them by frequency based on our 23 million word corpus text.
 
So...at the moment, we have 5+ example sentences for roughly 700 verbs, which covers roughly 70-75% of all verb instances in the 23 million word text...
 
I've been thinking of creating some kind of program here for verbs to gently guide users through that 700-verb list. I think if a student could get those words down pretty well, it would make a big difference in their language skills. I'm not 100% sure on the best way to go about it, though. Have any thoughts on that?
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 3:18pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
Something like the sentence game but ordered by frequency, and instead of random words, have the same root with different derived forms as the option. Or a glossika-style sentence with audio loop.
 
I think example usages explaining verbs can help. One thing I'd love to see is a root with all or most of the derived forms laid out in plain Tagalog.
 
Ayos, and then sentences using nagpapaayos, ipinaayos, ayusin, umayos to really demonstrate how verbs are used. One thing I've noticed on the discord is that the users who use TLDC really love the flash cards, but I'm not sure that many of those have sentences or if they're just single word cards.
 
@amboy @urbannights
 
Might be good test subjects.
 
As nifty as algorithims and spaced repetition are, nothing beats having bilingual sentences just as background music.
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Rating: 0
Jan 06 2020, 4:05pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 6 days ago. 
@akosikoneho You can create your own “sentence cards” by entering a word in the dictionary and clicking on the “examples.” Beside each example sentence is a paper clip icon, the clicking of which will allow you to create the card.
 
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Author Photo AMBoy Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 1:55am CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
I welcome all attempts to help nail down verbs and on a single page, right now you have to click around like crazy to get to different types of the same word. Also I've become aware that sentences are more key that I thought before. I know a ton of words from the flashcards here but struggle to put them to correct use, of course I know enough to talk like a caveman but I'm looking for fluency. I will be going the sentence route soon on Glosika. If you could do something similar with and with a huuuuuuuuuge amount of sentences, that could be great. Thanks!!
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 6:12am CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
Urban nights changed his user -_-;; didn't get my ping @lennie
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 7:11am CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
@TLDCAdmin
 
"So...at the moment, we have 5+ example sentences for roughly 700 verbs, which covers roughly 70-75% of all verb instances in the 23 million word text..."
 
How do you define verbs?
 
I have settled on any of the 820 roots with an UM, MAG, MA, IN, AN or I definition. Looks like that will shake out at about the same number of 700 verbs - pareho o iba ? :D
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 7:15am CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
@AMBoy
 
"I welcome all attempts to help nail down verbs and on a single page, right now you have to click around like crazy to get to different types of the same word. "
 
About 90% of the root "cards" include at least one of the big 6 verb infixes. I would be for a simple "list" of the 820 roots...which I can offer at this point - whew - if there is any interest.
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 7:37am CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
Great to see some power users chiming in!
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 7:40am CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
I got the big green book on loan from open library but my tiny laptop is awful. They have about 30,000 entries with sentences. Would love to get my hands on TLDC's sentences to use in TLDC's flashcard program.
 
@akosikoneho
 
Lub lub lub the big green and red books of Father English. I admire you if you can work between those big bricks and a laptop. I surrendered in less than an hour. Suko na ko!
 
The Father does not provide consistent detail covering infix conjugations. Best of both worlds right here - full conjugations and a load of varied examples.
 
I agree pulling the sentence content up and free would be super na super useful. A simple list would be an awesome start.
 
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Jan 07 2020, 1:55pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 5 days ago. 
@BoraMac
>> How do you define verbs?
 
Anything that's conjugated with for the past/present/future (or that is to say...the aspect equivalents)... Kumain and kainin would count as two verbs.
 
@akosikoneho
 
I've thought about a list of all variations of a various roots...but I think that might be inefficient as a first step...
 
It seems to me that most roots among the most commonly used verbs, only use a single affix almost exclusively...so it might be most efficient to learn the 700-800 variations in common usage first, and then build out from there.
 
For example...I just ran a test with the top 800 verbs by frequency in our 23 million word corpus, and there are some interesting results...
 
1.) The 800 verbs cover between 73-78% of all verb instances in the 23 million word corpus.
 
2.) Looking at the roots of the verbs in that list:
- There are 445 roots used to make the top 800 most frequently used verbs.
- 267 of those roots appear in only in ONE verb conjugation type in that top 800 list.
- 99 of the roots occur in exactly two verbs only.
- Only 79 roots appear in three or more conjugation types in the top 800 list.
 
3.) The roots with the most variations are: sama (13 variations in the list), gawa (8), labas (7), kita (7) and usap (7).
 
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Author Photo leosmith Rating: 0
Jan 08 2020, 10:49pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
The 800 verbs cover between 73-78% of all verb instances

@TLDCAdmin That's an interesting stat! I'd like to find out about how often per page, assuming 500 words per page, I would get stumped by an unknown verb if I know only these 800.
 
For example, if verbs occur once every 20 words, about 25 would occur per page, and I would get stumped 6 times per page. So I guess my question is do you know what percentage of words are verbs in your corpus?
 
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