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Author Photo by: Diegocorry Rating: 0
Sep 11 2019, 6:07am CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
A question on word order.
In English we can say "I am going to Manila someday" or "Someday I am going to Manila", and the meaning is essentially the same. Is the same true for the two sentences in Tagalog: "Pupunta ako sa Maynila balang araw" and "Balang araw pupunta ako sa Maynila"? I am sure they would both be understood, but would the second form seem quirky?
As always, thank you for any help.
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Author Photo BoraMac Rating: 0
Sep 11 2019, 9:31am CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
So I am just a few weeks into this ANG NG SA structure...but let me try na try...
 
Pupunta ako...well formed ANG phrase marking the subject
 
Sa Maynila...SA phrase...that would tend to slide to the back of the sentence.
 
Balang araw...well formed expression for "some day"...but crying a bit for a NG marker as non-subject.
 
So my most natural construction would be...
 
Pupunta AKO NG balang araw SA Maynila.
 
And linking the "some day" as close to "going" keeps the modifier from dangling in front of the verb or remotely dangling behind the verb.
 
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Sep 11 2019, 10:46am CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
Hmm, I don't think that is correct @BoraMac ..."balang araw" shouldn't be used as a ng phrase, typically.
 
I do tend to see "balang araw" both at the beginning or end of sentences, though @Diegocorry .
 
There are a number of usage examples here that our Filipino editors put together, three with "balang araw" at the end, and two at the beginning:
www.tagaloglessons.c om/words/balang-araw .php
 
Also, I looked up a number of examples in the ExampleFinder tool and can see it being used both at the beginning and end, so I assume it's used similar to how we use it in English...
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Rating: 0
Sep 11 2019, 10:56am CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
@TLDCAdmin Thank you!
 
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Author Photo Lancent Rating: 0
Sep 11 2019, 2:57pm CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
@Diegocorry Yes, I've seen it used both ways.
 
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Author Photo Tagamanila Rating: 0
Sep 11 2019, 9:28pm CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
@Diegocorry
 
"Pupunta ako sa Maynila balang araw" and "Balang araw pupunta ako sa Maynila" both mean essentially the same thing and both are also grammatically correct. Just like their English translations, the first one gives more importance to the act of going while the other, to the time.
 
If we will follow the subject-predicate structure of "I am going to Manila someday" it becomes “Ako ay pupunta sa Maynila/Manila balang araw”. Using the verb to begin that sentence, it transforms to “Pupunta ako sa Maynila balang araw”, which is exactly your first sentence.
 
The sentence of BoraMac, “Pupunta AKO NG balang araw SA Maynila”, is incorrect because of the “ng” (of) that he added to it. It translates to “I am going to Manila OF someday”. Without that “ng”, “Pupunta ako balang araw sa Maynila” would also be correct except that, of the 3 versions of the same idea, we’d most likely be using more the two that you gave.
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Rating: 0
Sep 12 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 2 mos., 27 days ago. 
@Tagamanila maraming salamat po!
 
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Author Photo Tagamanila Rating: 0
Sep 13 2019, 9:25pm CST ~ 2 mos., 25 days ago. 
@Diegocorry Wala pong anuman!
 
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Author Photo Adobo Rating: 0
Sep 14 2019, 7:15pm CST ~ 2 mos., 24 days ago. 
I see that pupunta ako and ako ay pupunta have both been used for something that will happen..it appears both have the same mesning andare correct
I am unsure when to use ay and when not to use it ...or doesn’t it matter
Any help with this would be appreciated
 
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Author Photo Tagamanila Rating: 0
Sep 14 2019, 10:04pm CST ~ 2 mos., 24 days ago. 
@Adobo
 
It doesn't really matter as far as correct grammar is concerned and it has nothing to do with the tense of the verb. It's just more common for Filipinos now to start a simple sentence with the verb or predicate. So, "Pupunta ako..." is much more common than "Ako ay pupunta...". Also, when the word preceding "ay" ends in a vowel, it is common for the "ay" to end up as an enclitic to the preceding word. In "Ako ay pupunta...", you might hear it more often as "Ako'y pupunta...".
 
In compound sentences, the "ako ay/ako'y pupunta" form has a better chance of getting used. For example:
 
"Marami akóng kailangang gawín ngayón kayâ hindi ko alám kung AKO'Y PÚPUNTA PA/PÚPUNTA PA AKO sa mall mámayà". = I need to do a lot of thing today that's why I don't know if I'D STILL GO to the mall later.
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Rating: 0
Sep 14 2019, 10:22pm CST ~ 2 mos., 24 days ago. 
I am pushing through a bunch of grammar reference materials and recently came across the notion of "ay" as a connector for the noun to the verb when the noun comes first. I found that notion more consistent with the rest of Tagalog grammar rather thank thinking of "ay" as some kind of "is/to be" equivalent in non-standard order. I am not sure if that is a unique notion or just first time I remember "ay" as a mechanical connector/marker.
 
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Author Photo Adobo Rating: 0
Sep 15 2019, 10:14pm CST ~ 2 mos., 23 days ago. 
Salamat sa inyong dalawa po
 
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Author Photo Tagamanila Rating: 0
Sep 16 2019, 10:29pm CST ~ 2 mos., 22 days ago. 
@Adobo
 
Walang anuman!
 
And speaking of word order, it would sound more natural to have the "po" right after "salamat" (salamat po sa...) instead of having it at the end of the sentence. 😀
 
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Author Photo Adobo Rating: 0
Sep 16 2019, 11:38pm CST ~ 2 mos., 22 days ago. 
Salamat po 👍😁
 
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Author Photo Adobo Rating: 0
Sep 17 2019, 12:12am CST ~ 2 mos., 22 days ago. 
Re word order ....if asking a question does ba come before po or after
 
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Author Photo Lancent Rating: 0
Sep 17 2019, 2:30pm CST ~ 2 mos., 21 days ago. 
@Adobo
 
Here is a (partial) list of 'enclitics' and their order.
 
1. na / pa
2. nga
3. din / rin
4. daw / raw
5. po / ho
6. ba
 
They usually come immediately after the 1st full word, except they come after the mono-syllabic subject or object pronouns 'ka', 'ko', or 'mo' (when used as subject or object pronouns, but not as possessive pronoun). So, to answer your question specifically, 'po' would come before 'ba'.
 
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