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Author Photo by: Diegocorry Rating: 0
Oct 31 2019, 5:01pm CST ~ 2 mos., 19 days ago. 
"i-" verb question
I am a little flummoxed by how the incompleted aspect of "i" verbs is formed. There seems to be two methods: one method infixes the "in"; the other method prefixes the "in". Examples of infixed: ibinigay, isinama, isinulat, ....
Examples of prefixed: inihatad, iniluto, iniuwi, ....
Is there a general rule, or is it a matter of just remembering for each particular verb?
Salamat uli.
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Oct 31 2019, 6:49pm CST ~ 2 mos., 18 days ago. 
I- verbs beginning with H, L, R, W, and Y have the form like you mentioned.
Also, I- verbs with the roots beginning with vowels have that kind of format.
I think that should be all the irregular forms, though.
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Rating: 0
Nov 01 2019, 7:49am CST ~ 2 mos., 18 days ago. 
@TLDCAdmin Thank you! I spent a couple of hours researching through dictionaries and deduced the conclusion that you just verified. I had posed the question originally because I was incorrectly answering "i- verb" flashcards and couldn't figure out why. Turns out it was the H, L, R, W, Y and vowel cards I was messing up on, trying to put infixes where there should have been prefixes. I fully expect to ace these cards from now on! Thank you again!
 
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Author Photo Tagamanila Rating: 0
Nov 19 2019, 10:31pm CST ~ 1 mo., 29 days ago. 
@Diegocorry
 
I was not even conscious of the difference until now. The set of letters given by TLDCAdmin seem to be correct, however, I think that for some words they are not strictly followed.
 
For example, right now I can think of having heard both:
 
ihinulog and inihulog (to let something drop)
ihinanda and inihanda (to prepare something)
ihinatid and inihatid (to deliver something) - is this the word you meant for "inihatad"?
iwinaldas and iniwaldas (to squander something)
 
You can also add root words that begin with a vowel.
 
alisin - inalis
inumin - ininom
iwanan - iniwan
utangin - inutang
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Rating: 0
Nov 20 2019, 3:26am CST ~ 1 mo., 29 days ago. 
@Tagamanila Yes, I’ve observed that the convention is not hard and fast, especially with words having initial “h”.
 
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Author Photo leosmith Rating: 0
Nov 20 2019, 7:56am CST ~ 1 mo., 29 days ago. 
I have been told by natives that roots beginning l, r, w, y usually follow this exception, but h usually doesn't. And this applies not only to i-verbs but in-verbs
 
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Author Photo TLDCAdmin Rating: 0
Nov 20 2019, 10:58am CST ~ 1 mo., 29 days ago. 
@leosmith @Tagamanila
 
I did a little bit of searching through our TextSearch tool here.
It looks like newspaper articles (formal writing) tend toward the "ini" prefix for roots beginning with "H". Of course spoken/casual language is often quite different, I know!
 
Ex:
Searching newspaper articles only...instance counts:
 
inihatid = 99
ihinatid = 1
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inihanda = 325
ihinanda = 2
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iniharap = 191
ihinarap = 1
 
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Author Photo leosmith Rating: 0
Nov 20 2019, 9:34pm CST ~ 1 mo., 28 days ago. 
I don't doubt that. I specifically asked for colloquial usage, which may account for that answer. But I will take a poll to verify.
 
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