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Pero isang kinakagalit niya ay hindi lang itong mga kasong ito. Isang kinakagalit niya ay yung kanyang mga kalaban ay mukhang tawag nila ay kinakausap ng gobyerno for a peace process.
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Galit na galit siya sa mga yan. Pinapaubos na yan. Sabi niya, uubusin niya. Just a few months back, sabi niya, dapat gamitin ang intelligence fund ng kanyang anak para patayin yung mga yan.
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So ikalawa, yung tingin niyang mortal enemy niya na parehas niyang Bedista, parehas niya sa San Beda, ay nakapag-bail.
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At ngayon ay nagsasalita na bilang isang political leader na may political future. Kaya galit na galit din siya dyan.
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Kung yung isa pa niyang mortal enemy, si Sanitre Llanes.
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Kaya magkakaroon ng mortal na enemy neto.
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Na sabi ni Matubato, siya ay in-assign para ambushin, para ipatayin si Senator Llanes na yan upon the order of somebody very high in the government.
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So hindi lang ito usapin ng mga kaso laban sa kanila.
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Hindi lang ito usapin ng mga mortal.
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Hindi lang ito usapin ng mga mortal enemy na mukhang hindi lamang napapalaya kung hindi nabibigyan ng mga political platform in the present administration.
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Kung hindi, yung pinakamalaking threat sa kanila is more existential.
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Dahil kung matuloy yung ICC, kung matutuloy, yung plano nila to bidan yung opposition ay baka mahirapan.
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Lalo na kung lahat sila ay kukunin.
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Pero I doubt kung lahat ay pipick upin ng ICC even kung lumabas na international warrant.
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Usually kasi yung ICC nagpo-focus lang sila sa kaunting tao para ma-strengthen yung case nila.
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Halimbawa, Milosevic.
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Hindi mo naman huhulihin lahat ng generals ni Milosevic na genocide.
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You get two or three...
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Kaya potential na ganoon silang mangyari dito sa EJK cases sa Pilipinas.
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Yung The Bow Death Squad.
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Ang usapin, sino yung ringleaders na yan?
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Sino ang isasama, sino ang hindi isasama?
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Kaya dapat tignan natin itong usapin ng SMNI in relation to other events.
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Yun yung gusto ko lang ipakita.
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Hindi naman plotting.
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Yung universe naman, hindi naman platter.
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The universe going against the Dutertes.
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More like the walls are closing in.
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I think more like that.
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Tapos na kasi yung writing on the wall.
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O, medyo palitan na natin yung metaphor.
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Patagal na yung writing.
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Ngayon, the wall itself is...
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Yung wall na yung gumuguhu sa kanila.
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Gumuguhu ngayon yung wall.
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May mga lumilitaw na words.
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I don't know what to say.
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Parang gising itong si Tatay Digong.
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Pero, don't you think this is a...
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Or maybe, I don't know.
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Hindi ba parang tumahimik ng konti si Digong?
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Or pinatahimik na lang siguro?
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Do you think he has any ability left to recalibrate at this point in time?
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To avoid the war?
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Sa mundo kasi namin.
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Pag kami natatahimik, ibig sabihin meron kaming ginagawa.
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Sa mundo ng mga plotters.
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Quiet dog is the thing.
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Pag kami ay natahimik, mas delikado kami.
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Kaya, katulad ito, may iingay tayong dalawa.
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Hindi tayo delikado.
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Dahil may iingay lang tayo.
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Pero yung mga tahimik, delikado yung mga yan.
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Baka meron na dyan mamaya ng mga troop movements, destabilization.
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Baka meron na dyan mga sumasabog sa mga Mindanao State University.
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Hindi ko sinasabi na related yun dito.
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Baka may mga ganyan.
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May mga wagdadog, mga deadly occurrences.
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Kaya, delikado yung mga tahimik.
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Lalo na yung tipo ni Digong, tingin ko hindi papahuli ng buhay.
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Yan yung pag nakasandal sa pader yan, delikado yan.
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So gagawin niya ang lahat para hindi siya makulong.
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Gagawin niya ang lahat.
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Para hindi siya gumuho.
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Nakakatakot naman yan.
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I mean, mafia bosses were brought down in New York by Giuliani and all in a much more peaceful way.
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Di ba ito yung RICO law yata na they went for that?
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Well, using what?
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O, yung mga ganun.
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Kaya, ang dami mga angulo na pwedeng...
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I mean, pwede mo lutuin itong ano na ito in different ways.
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I mean, ikaw si BBM.
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There's so many ways to cook this dish, diba?
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But BBM has to cook it quick habang meron pa siyang influence.
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So walang slow burn?
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Hindi yan slow burn.
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Quick burn niya yan.
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Habang meron pa siyang influence.
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Hindi ko i-underestimate si Digong.
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May utak, may rootlessness.
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And for now, he still has the wherewithal to do great damage to his enemies.
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Pero in a year's time, yung wherewithal na yan,
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kumawawala na dramatically.
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So kung may gagawin siya,
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he has to do it in the next few months.
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Or not to do it at all.
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Ako kasi, this is where I probably disagree with you a bit.
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Ang point ko naman is,
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I think time is on BBM's side in a sense that,
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yes, he's gonna be a lame duck in 2026 or 2027.
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But he has 2025 to really ram this through, right?
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Especially if they dominate the elections big time.
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Within six months after the elections,
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You know, really.
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Lalo kung talong-talo yung kapila, di ba?
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So for me, the crucial years are 2024, 2025.
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I think this is where BBM can really make,
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leave a mark on the Philippines' political landscape.
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And I think the ICC issue will be resolved within that period.
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Or at least we'll see a major, major development on the ICC front
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in this period of 2024, 2025.
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We correctly saw Leyla Delima getting freed within this year, right?
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We have been saying this throughout the year.
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With Leloy separately, you and I have been saying,
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na ma-resolve yan within the next six to eight months.
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We kept on saying it.
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It happened even earlier slightly.
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So my sense is 2024, 2025,
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this is also gonna be a strong year for BBM
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because I don't see any real competition from any other side.
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Do you think the Dutertes can really put off a strong fight in 2025?
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Yeah, I agree with you, no?
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Na ang window ng mga Duterte is a few months.
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Ang window kay BBM is much longer.
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Pero itong next few months,
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he has to do something.
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Habang meron pa siyang werewidal.
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Habang meron pa siyang latent influence
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within some key institutions in the government.
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Military, police, bureaucracy.
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Makawala na yan very soon.
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Sige, I get what you're saying.
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But let's just spell it out.
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Like in what sense?
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Meron siyang batch sa PMA na inaalagaan.
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Na hindi yan mga pushover.
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Mga one-star, two-star general yan mga yan.
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Ikalawa ay meron siyang ginagamit na PEG
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to increase his influence.
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Itong anti-communist strategy niya.
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Na nakatulong itong peace talks ng gobyerno.
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Bakit ka magpipipipipipipi?
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peace talks, napapabagsak na yung mga
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komunista. Yun yung kanyang mensahe.
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sabi nga ni Vice President Sara Duterte,
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why is the government making a
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pact with the devil? So, makikita mo
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yung kanilang political narrative.
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Malinaw yung sino yung political
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target yan. At malinaw
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sino yung gusto nilang mahatap.
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Tapos, dito sa issue
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ni Badoy, to some extent,
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nag-blink, kumurap
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yung gobyerno. Nung pinakawalan nila si
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Ibig sabihin, it's
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pumirma. Pero kumurap,
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nag-blink yung gobyerno.
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Pinakawalan si Badoy at saka si
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Caselli. So, makikita mo
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hindi lang ito labanan.
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Hindi lang ito labanan
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Okay. Usapin din ito.
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Sino yung unang mag-blink?
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Chicken game. May pagka-chicken
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Sino yung una na kukurap?
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Wow. I mean, yun nga.
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I'm already looking at like 10 permutations
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about his good turnout.
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No, I agree. If you're
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on the Duterta side,
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you wanna strike while the iron rod is
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hot, right? While on the BBM
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side, he has their 1-2-2 year window.
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If he waits longer than that,
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then malalaos din siya.
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Which really, I think, sets
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the tone for our next conversation, which is on the
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West Philippine Sea and all. Because the other
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angle is, umiinit din yung situation sa
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West Philippine Sea. At alam natin, napaka
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How do you see that angle
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also playing out? The superpowers are
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also part of this conversation, one
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or another. Invested din sila dito eh.
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Malaki yung investment nila dito in many
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sense of the world.
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Well, more than two weeks
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ago, bago itong napanood natin,
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na Christmas Convoy,
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may isa akong friend, Filipino-Chinese,
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na may ari ng isang
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malaking company,
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ang nagsabi sa akin na
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batay sa kanyang mga
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conversations, sa kanyang mga kaibigan
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sa mainland, China, ay
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hindi mag-i-scale down yung
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China. Dito sa ating
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West Philippine Sea,
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dito sa ating EEZ,
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mag-i-scale up sila.
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At no holds barred na sila.
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confrontation, they will be very
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aggressive. Galit sila.
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Siguro nakita nila ay wala na talagang
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Ngayon tingin nila wala na.
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Almost sarado na. Tapos nakita rin
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nila na habang nandyan pa
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yung kanilang mga kaalyado,
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habang hindi pa dinadala
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Habang hindi pa...
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Kailangan nilang buhusan.
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Kaya makikita mo, very active
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itong mga assets nila rito.
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scaling up din ng tono
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na pro-China, ng mga
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spokespersons ng mga pro-China.
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Nag-i-scaling up sila.
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itong mga Pilipino nag-provoke
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Dito sa Ayungin, sila yung bumunggo
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dun sa Navy ship.
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Binunggo ng isang napakalimutan.
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Maliit na supply ship.
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So mismo sila nag-i-scaling up.
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Nabasa mo yung statement
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ng Foreign Ministry ng China.
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It's almost funny.
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If it's not that dangerous.
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Nakakatawa yung statement
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na talagang tayo yung agresor.
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yung sinasabi nila before
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na may isang presidente
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na nag-volunteer mismo
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na tatanggalin natin
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yung ating BRP Sierra Madre.
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Ito naman yan a few days ago.
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itong sinasabi ng friend ko
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ay nakikita rin natin
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hindi lamang doon sa mga incidents
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kung hindi dito sa mga pronouncements
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ng kanilang Foreign Ministry.
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I doubt if it's going to cool down
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after the new year.
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I doubt if that's going to happen.
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Hindi naman ito mayari
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ng malalaking malls.
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thank you very much for this.
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I think this sets it perfectly
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for our next episode.
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Pag-usapan natin itong
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West Philippine Sea China Angle.
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I think this is very important.
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Thank you very much,
