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00:00.0
Ito na, ito na. Ito na yung penultimate discussion natin sa Philippine politics.
00:05.0
Now, one of the interesting figures who has been more or less out, I mean, hindi naman out, but above the fray-ish, pagdating dito sa Bardagulan, sa pagitan ng Dutertes and Marcoses, is someone who actually has a lot at stake here.
00:20.5
Because by some estimates or by some data, he could be the frontrunner already or could become the frontrunner at some point pagdating sa 2020 election.
00:31.2
And of course, we're talking about Senator Rafi Tulfo.
00:34.0
Of course, Senator Rafi Tulfo was a little bit trending recently dun sa back and forth niya with Galvez, with former General Galvez, Secretary Galvez, dito sa issue ng, you know, yung accusations niya na may corruption daw dun sa, di ba, ito yung demobilization na ginagawa, di ba, sa Mindanao, etc.
00:50.5
We can talk about that also, but you could see na, in fairness to Secretary Galvez, I appreciated him saying immediately, do not say na we're corrupt right away.
00:58.3
Hindi pwede you jump into, hindi ito yung show mo, sir, di ba, this is a Senate hearings and all.
01:03.7
And then nakakatawa yung itsura nila ni Jingo Estrada, tsaka si Aimee, nakaganyan lang sila, pala kayo dyan, parang, you should watch the video, it's an interesting video.
01:12.7
But my point is, okay, we can talk about the pros and cons of this whole Tulfo approach.
01:18.2
And I interviewed him separately, guys can check it out.
01:20.5
But let's talk about Tulfo. I mean, he's the, right, he's the major threat to a return of the Duterte's, right?
01:29.1
I mean, everyone is focused on PI, Chacha, Romualdez, BBM, but by all indications, pag sentimento ng tao tinignan mo, pag mga surveys ang tinignan mo, he keeps on rising.
01:39.3
He was 11% in Establish the other year, now he's 25% sa ibang survey.
01:43.8
And someone was telling me he's actually already number one in some of the surveys that have not been released yet.
01:49.2
Hindi na lang namin sabihin siya.
01:51.8
But just to remind you guys, last year, December, itong kaibigan natin si Secretary Llamas, he said that may nakita siyang survey, you said Pulse Asia in this case,
02:03.0
na actually Lenny and Bam and all were doing well.
02:06.3
Nalik ito two, three weeks later, and that was exactly the point.
02:10.1
Actually, Lenny and Bam were doing pretty well.
02:11.8
So, you know, so on the record, you have been quite correct when you said may alam kang data, hindi mo lang pwede sabihin.
02:18.4
So, I will trust you on this.
02:20.5
Previous time, you were absolutely correct about it.
02:22.5
So, let's talk about TULPO.
02:23.8
I mean, where do you stand on this issue?
02:27.7
What's your analysis?
02:28.8
Sorry, not stand.
02:29.4
Dapat maunawa natin saan siya nang galing.
02:32.3
Isumbong mo kay TULPO.
02:36.6
Kahit hindi niya natulungan yung daang-daang libong mga Pilipino,
02:40.1
yung kanyang ethos, yung kanyang mantra na isumbong mo kay TULPO,
02:46.6
eh, karamihan ng mga Pilipino,
02:52.2
yun ang maririnig mo,
02:53.0
isusumbong kita kay TULPO.
02:55.0
Pag merong mga mas makapangyarihan o mas mataas sa iyo,
02:59.7
tapos nagreklamo yung mas mababa,
03:01.6
yun yung kanyang expression,
03:02.8
isusumbong kita kay TULPO.
03:04.3
So, it has become a household brand,
03:07.2
yung isumbong kita kay TULPO.
03:08.9
Kaya hindi nakakagulat na yung kanyang party list,
03:12.3
first time tumakbo sa party list,
03:15.4
Yung first time niya tumakbo sa Senate,
03:17.5
nag number two siya.
03:18.5
At ngayon, yung kanyang kapatid,
03:21.6
yung Erwin TULPO,
03:22.7
ay nag na number one sa survey.
03:24.7
Dahil yung kanyang pinanggalingan,
03:27.8
isumbong mo kay TULPO,
03:30.5
nakuha yung imagination ng mga tao.
03:33.2
For lack of a better example,
03:34.9
parang si Digong as Punisher.
03:37.1
As Punisher in Davao City.
03:39.9
Pero ito, medyo nationwide na kagad.
03:42.6
Na actually, mas sikat pa kay Digong before.
03:44.9
We had this discussion with Leloy.
03:46.4
Diba sabi ni Leloy?
03:48.0
before we were aware of Digong,
03:49.3
they were already the TULPO brothers.
03:51.0
And they were already in the house.
03:52.4
Actually, the surprise is,
03:55.1
Pero ito, sila hindi tumatakbo.
03:57.6
Pero sila hindi tumatakbo.
03:59.4
Yung unang nakilala,
04:02.4
Tapos ngayon, yung TULPO brothers.
04:04.4
Actually, magkakapatid sila lahat.
04:06.5
Tsaka yung sister,
04:07.7
na naging sekretary ng tourism.
04:10.1
So, hindi sila tumatakbo.
04:12.1
Ngayon, tumatakbo na sila.
04:14.1
With a vengeance.
04:15.8
With a vengeance.
04:19.2
medyo may organic sense naman si TULPO.
04:22.9
Organic political sense na
04:24.5
bagamat mataas siya,
04:26.7
bagamat very compelling yung kanyang political narrative,
04:30.7
nagpipigil din siya.
04:35.1
pag ikaw yung tumaas,
04:36.9
lahat hihingi sa iyo ng resources
04:39.6
at lahat babanatang ka.
04:42.5
kung oobserbahan mo,
04:44.5
medyo calculated yung kanyang atake.
04:47.5
una niyang binatakbo,
04:47.9
una niyang binatakbo,
04:47.9
una niyang binatakbo,
04:48.0
una niyang binatakbo,
04:52.8
a lot of people loves to hate.
04:56.0
pinanggalingan niya.
04:57.0
May mga nagsumbong sa kanya
04:58.3
about the bilyars.
04:59.8
Yung inaagawan ng lupa,
05:03.6
ng mga marginalized,
05:04.9
ng mga subdivision.
05:08.3
yung kanyang banat.
05:10.8
pure calculation.
05:12.8
It's a combination
05:14.3
na pwede niyang banatan
05:19.9
political narrative niya.
05:22.8
at the same time,
05:23.8
meron mga lumapit sa kanya
05:27.4
Yun yung uninang tinira.
05:29.2
He's very shrewd.
05:30.2
I actually asked him.
05:31.8
may sarili siyang
05:32.9
organic intellect.
05:37.1
Organic intellectual siya.
05:41.3
Wala siyang mga advisors.
05:46.1
in spite of that,
05:51.9
Whatever that is.
05:53.9
isang nagagawa niya.
05:56.9
nung nakaharap niya
05:57.6
yung napakatalino
05:58.8
at napakabeteranong
06:04.5
nung nilabasan niya
06:05.9
yung sinasabi ni Pia.
06:09.6
Di pinakita niya.
06:23.3
Wala naman nalangit
06:27.1
lalo ka niyang gaganit.
06:28.1
It served the purpose.
06:34.4
Nilingon-lingon si Pia.
06:36.2
kung ano nangyayari.
06:40.1
Kinatay na yung PCSO.
06:48.5
yung legal wedding.
06:53.4
dating ng tulpo brand
06:56.5
bumibili ng loto.
07:00.2
Okay na okay siya roon.
07:03.7
hindi siya masyadong
07:10.8
hindi siya sumasama
07:16.7
Hindi siya sumasama
07:18.5
pili yung kanyang
07:21.2
na hindi naman siya
07:22.2
totally mawawala.
07:24.4
sektor na nagmamarka siya
07:38.1
underestimating him.
07:44.7
marami mga DDS ngayon
07:46.2
biglang inaatak siya.
07:48.5
marami sa mga DDS
07:52.6
anyone who attacks Tulfo.
07:54.8
they also attack me
07:56.5
perceive me of not being
07:57.5
tough enough on Tulfo.
08:01.5
concern sometimes
08:04.8
the Tulfo way of justice,
08:06.0
how is this coming in?
08:08.7
it's sometimes hit,
08:10.0
it's sometimes miss.
08:12.3
I think it has a good intention.
08:14.3
interesting with the
08:15.1
criticism against Digong
08:18.4
with the former president
08:19.7
who was openly calling
08:20.5
for extrajudicial killings
08:23.1
galit ka sa Tulfo way
08:25.2
kasi hindi niya nire-respect
08:26.6
yung due process.
08:28.1
okay ka kay Digong?
08:30.2
that's like crazy.
08:34.7
yung DOS mo na may pollution
08:36.2
pero okay ka dun sa Lamborghini
08:38.4
you know what I'm saying,
08:41.0
you know what I'm saying?
08:42.2
I just found that very weird
08:43.8
if not hypocritical.
08:46.3
shouldn't we also be
08:47.6
if ever he becomes
08:48.5
the next president,
08:51.0
ang next level siyang ganito na
08:52.4
baka maging masyadong
08:54.5
baka masyadong demagogic,
08:57.3
Maging ganyan-ganyan.
09:00.5
that's a double-edged sword.
09:02.5
You get what I'm saying?
09:04.1
You have to be fair
09:04.8
to also criticism
09:06.2
this person is still
09:07.4
not the president
09:08.1
but if ever this person
09:09.9
becomes the president
09:10.5
and then ganito yung approach niya,
09:11.6
imagine giving national speeches,
09:15.4
Ang diling dudurugin ka
09:18.2
pwede kasi yung isipin
09:21.9
parang wala itong experience
09:26.8
He's also a populist
09:29.0
Trial by publicity,
09:32.3
ang kaibahan siguro niya,
09:34.1
without the extrajudicial killings.
09:37.6
he never supported that.
09:42.9
mas tinitignan ito.
09:48.3
Maglaless and evil sila.
09:50.1
Ganun yung one eh.
09:51.9
merong black swan
10:03.6
parang itong dalawa
10:04.4
yung nagtutunggalian eh.
10:05.7
Kaya binabanatan na siya
10:11.9
Threat talaga siya.
10:17.1
pag namumunga yung puno
10:20.4
binabato na si Tulpo ngayon,
10:23.0
maraming din naman
10:26.0
question mark eh.
10:33.0
checks and balance,
10:40.3
Medyo question mark pa siya.
10:44.5
wala naman siyang
10:51.4
Yung ganun na klase na
10:54.0
mas mga binabalat sa kanila
10:59.1
na tinatapon sa kanila,
11:02.5
yun yung mga kwal
11:03.4
na baka hindi naman issue
11:13.1
This is a family oriented show.
11:15.3
okay ba yung transference?
11:16.5
Okay ba yung transference?
11:19.4
transference sa therapist,
11:21.9
yung transference.
11:23.7
Pang-therapist din ano ko ha.
11:26.9
inunahan na kita,
11:27.6
baka ibatom mo sa akin eh,
11:32.4
nami-misunderstood tayo na,
11:34.9
where I'm coming from is,
11:35.7
I just find it so hypocritical
11:37.6
to question Tulfos
11:39.0
on the due process question
11:40.0
and then sabayit supporta
11:42.5
I just find it like,
11:43.6
wala akang moral ascendancy
11:45.4
to question the Tulfos.
11:47.3
with what Digong said.
11:48.5
Having said that,
11:50.6
I raised that question
11:51.4
with Rafi Tulfo na,
11:55.1
on a more positive note,
11:56.9
the glass half full is that,
11:59.1
mukhang may learning curve siya,
12:01.2
Anyone who knows him,
12:02.5
I'm talking about Rafi Tulfo,
12:03.4
I don't know about the other brothers,
12:04.6
hindi ko kilala si Ben,
12:05.5
hindi ko kilala si Mon,
12:06.4
so I cannot speak for them.
12:07.8
Si Erwin lang medyo kilala ko
12:10.1
so it will be unfair naman na
12:12.0
i-ano mo silang lahat
12:14.3
they're Tulfo brothers
12:15.7
has their own dynamics,
12:17.9
As far as Rafi is concerned,
12:20.3
from people who know him
12:21.4
and people who are good people
12:23.0
and you know also
12:23.6
a lot of these people
12:24.3
is that he has learning curve.
12:26.3
if he makes mistakes,
12:31.5
I don't think he'll admit it openly
12:32.8
but I think behind the scenes,
12:34.4
he's someone who has
12:35.0
a certain level of self-awareness
12:36.6
and self-correctiveness.
12:38.5
whether that's sufficient enough
12:41.2
perfect siya for 2028,
12:45.7
he opens up the race
12:47.6
and at the very least,
12:48.7
he opens up the space
12:49.8
for a third candidate
12:51.2
and then there's also
12:52.6
the possibility of,
12:53.8
I heard some crazy ideas
12:55.1
about him possibly,
12:56.7
teaming up with Riza on Tiveras.
12:58.2
that would not be
12:58.9
totally out of this world.
13:01.5
magandang relationship ni Tulfo
13:05.7
with a lot of progressive people
13:07.2
that people don't know about,
13:08.9
there's also the behind the scenes part,
13:11.6
the more progressive,
13:16.7
that people are not appreciating.
13:18.2
I'm just saying this, guys,
13:22.7
isa kang resident
13:26.2
and then may kaso ka,
13:29.5
and then coordinate it
13:31.1
and then resolve yan sa court.
13:32.6
You get what I'm saying?
13:33.7
I heard that these cases
13:34.7
are going out there.
13:36.4
maybe you have better intelligence
13:37.6
than me on this issue,
13:38.9
but this is what I've heard,
13:40.5
including from progressive friends.
13:41.7
Hindi ito yung mga,
13:43.9
ito yung mga progressive friends.
13:45.0
Pero sa'n yung si ikaw,
13:46.1
ikaw ang tatulungin ko,
13:47.0
ano nga alam mo dyan?
13:52.5
Ayan na naman tayo.
13:54.6
Pero ang tingin ko,
13:55.8
he's still a work in progress.
14:02.3
yung cup half full,
14:05.0
medyo hindi naman siya kulang.
14:06.7
Hindi naman siya kulang.
14:08.4
more full than empty,
14:10.7
At sinusubok akong tignan,
14:12.0
where he's coming from.
14:13.9
At tinitignan ko rin,
14:14.9
sino ba yung kanyang makakalaban?
14:16.4
Kung ito yung kanyang makakalaban,
14:18.7
maraming mga tao na,
14:20.4
siya na yung pupuntahan,
14:22.8
kesa sa isang Duterte.
14:28.0
ibang black swan.
14:31.7
dalanda yung bandera,
14:41.5
what's with this video
14:44.1
modernizing elite,
14:48.1
nag-uusapan ni Leloy eh.
14:50.5
yun yung nag-uusapan ni Leloy eh.
14:53.9
modernizing elite.
14:54.3
Max-fiber ka kasi,
14:55.3
nagma-max-fiber ka ng modernity eh.
14:58.3
socialist ako eh.
15:01.5
yung kaibigan mo,
15:02.2
nagbuo na ng socialist party.
15:06.3
socialist lang ako eh,
15:09.5
Pa-socialan lang.
15:11.5
Parang ako contento
15:12.2
sa modernity lang,
15:14.7
Medyo max-fiber-ish.
15:16.4
Hindi masyadong hegel.
15:19.0
Thank you so much,
15:19.9
Sir Ronald Demas.
15:20.8
Let's go to the last episode
15:22.2
ikaw ang nag-recommend yan.
15:28.3
but we're not talking about
15:30.2
or religious issues.
15:31.1
I think neither of us
15:32.0
are competent in that matter,
15:35.7
the West Philippine Sea issue.
15:37.6
you see religious groups
15:41.0
of West Philippines.
15:41.5
Which is, of course,
15:42.3
close to our hearts.
15:43.1
Maraming salamat,
15:43.7
Secretary Ronald Demas,
15:44.8
for that fantastic discussion.
15:46.1
Baka matawag tayo
15:47.1
ni Tulfo Miglama.
15:48.7
Tulfo tayong dalawa.
15:50.7
Transition na tayo.
