03:59.3
Magkakataon sa pagkakataon sa pagkakataon.
04:00.0
To deal with the Karens of this world
04:02.1
Although of course may debate pa rin na
04:03.8
Paano natin tawagin yung mga Karen na lalaki
04:08.2
Meron akong nakitang bagong suggestion
04:11.6
Kasi nag-comment ako dun sa isang video ng mga Karen
04:14.9
Dyan sa Karen-fornia
04:17.0
Kasi dyan sa California
04:19.5
Ang dami mga Karens dun
04:20.8
Sa away ng mga Karen yun
04:22.1
So nag-comment na ako ng Karen
04:24.0
May mga sumasagot na pangalan nila Karen
04:28.5
Nagsasarkastic sila
04:30.4
Anong san tayo galing
04:32.0
Anong hugot natin
04:36.0
Nag-suggest yung isang Karen sa akin
04:38.6
Dapat tawagin sa mga lalaki ng Karen
04:43.7
Pwede rin pala yan eh
04:45.1
Pero kasi gusto ko guys
04:46.7
Letter K rin yung start eh
04:48.5
Malakas kasi yung dating
04:52.8
Kasi Ken and Barb yan
04:56.6
Para lang hindi ma-hurt yung mga Kevin
04:58.5
Kasi mas konti hatang kilala kong pangalan na
05:06.8
Yun na lang safe option natin
05:14.6
Dapat di tayo magpapa
05:16.0
Kasi lalo yung mga yan guys
05:19.1
Ito yung mga Karen
05:22.9
Ano yung expression
05:26.6
Ayaw magpahuli ng buhay
05:28.5
Well in this case
05:29.3
Mukhang literal yan
05:31.3
Actually ang claim na itong
05:32.8
Person of interest na yan
05:33.8
Is hindi niya siya nagpapakita
05:40.6
But the other thing is
05:41.9
Sinisabi din niya na
05:45.9
Ang kanyang buhay daw
05:50.7
Kasi parang may witch hunt
05:51.9
Taw na nangyayari
05:54.0
Pag-usapan din natin
05:56.5
Kasi bar naman kay Sarah
05:58.9
Sila pa ang victim
06:00.6
Ang interesting niya kay Sarah
06:02.8
Later on very quickly
06:04.2
Pag nagvideo siya na
06:05.7
Ano yung prepared na video
06:12.2
Which is very very different
06:17.6
Especially Sarah Duterte
06:18.7
I mean let's be honest guys
06:19.8
When I say Sarah Duterte
06:21.2
It was the first thing
06:22.0
That comes to your mind
06:23.0
To put it more accurately
06:24.6
What was the first memory
06:26.0
You had of Sarah Duterte
06:27.4
Like when you get to know her
06:28.0
To know about the existence
06:29.9
In her political landscape
06:31.4
I'm not saying anything
06:33.0
I'm just being honest
06:34.0
Like the first time
06:34.7
I heard about these people
06:41.2
Tinapak-sapak na yung
06:47.6
This is more than
06:48.4
10 years ago diba
06:51.2
All over the place
06:55.2
Main source of information
06:56.9
Now interesting actually
06:58.0
Kind of segue lang tayo
07:01.8
Check the book of
07:03.6
Patricia Vangelista
07:04.5
Especially the chapter
07:05.4
When she discusses
07:07.2
Because yung book ni
07:08.4
Patricia Vangelista
07:13.0
The roots of Dutertismo
07:14.5
And Duterte approach
07:18.9
I'm talking about
07:21.9
Diehard Duterte supporters
07:23.1
And one of the things
07:29.3
Ni Patricia Vangelista
07:32.1
Rappler interviewed her
07:33.2
And ayon kay Sarah
07:36.3
I mean this is in the book
07:37.8
You can check it yourself
07:41.2
With that episode
07:45.2
Hindi siya nakilala
07:48.1
If not sa buong mundo
07:49.4
Because of that episode
07:54.5
Patricia was trying to say
07:55.5
Is because of the
07:59.3
Kind of political
08:00.1
Expectation sometimes
08:02.8
Mga liderato tayo
08:06.7
For the lack of better
08:08.0
Time overcompensate
08:09.5
Na may pressure sa kanila
08:11.9
Especially kung tatay may
08:13.9
Kung sanay ng mga tao
08:18.1
I still say I'm fair
08:20.5
So I don't want to jump into
08:28.0
I found that interesting
08:29.3
Because I did not see
08:33.3
Along those lines
08:34.3
Kung saan si Sarah Duterte
08:36.2
Nang somehow regret
08:37.3
About yung episode na yan
08:39.7
Not reflecting well
08:40.8
On her as a leader
08:46.3
Na are from Davao
08:47.5
Or familiar with Davao
08:48.6
Of course alam nyo naman
08:50.0
Actually si Sarah yung mayor
08:52.6
Si Digong yung vice mayor
08:54.4
At basta sa alam ko
08:56.9
Yung mga kaibigan natin
08:58.4
I've given talks in Davao
08:59.4
Marami akong kaibigan dyan na
09:00.6
Throughout the years
09:03.7
Hopefully kaibigan din
09:04.9
May may nagbiro nga
09:07.7
Ang sabi nyo sa akin
09:11.2
Number one sa Davao
09:14.1
Ang ganda ng experience
09:15.1
Kanyang sa Davao kami
09:17.1
Napaka hospitable
09:21.3
A fantastic time there
09:23.7
Hindi ako magtataka
09:25.3
Na hindi natutuwa
09:26.2
Dun sa mga sinasabi natin
09:29.1
Just to be honest
09:33.5
Yung kanilang mga
09:34.3
Political beliefs
09:39.6
Sa ating mga kababayan
09:40.7
Na not necessarily
09:42.3
Sangayon sa sinasabi natin
09:45.6
Mas malapit yung kanilang puso
09:47.6
Pero na-appreciate din nila
09:54.3
Balikan natin ito
10:00.7
Na-mention na natin siya
10:01.8
Actually sabi niya
10:02.5
Dahil nanganib ang buhay ko
10:06.3
Ang aking pagmumuka
10:10.7
Ang inyong maririnig
10:11.8
O ito yung quote po dyan
10:18.1
So parang labas pa ngayon
10:19.5
Sila pa yung threatened
10:27.4
Pati ko maanap yung video
10:33.0
Nag-respond siya dito
10:36.3
Sa mga accusations
10:43.5
Ang dami natin sinabi
10:45.5
And all of that is
10:47.2
Bakit lumalabas si
10:52.9
Christy Fermin niya
10:58.7
Iyan na naman tayo
11:00.2
Iyan na naman tayo
11:02.7
Talagang Christy Fermin
11:03.9
Talaga yung nandyan eh
11:07.3
Kay Christy Fermin
11:15.6
Mahalala nyo yung
11:16.2
Pinag-usapan natin
11:18.0
Pinapalabas pa niya
11:19.2
Na siya pang victim
11:20.6
Na pinag-aawayan siya
11:31.5
Pinag-aawayan daw siya ng mga babae
11:32.9
At ginagamit daw siya ng mga babae
11:35.5
Lack of better time
11:36.6
Upward social mobility
11:38.6
Now again as I said
11:40.1
That's a quite a reversal
11:41.4
Quite a questionable reversal
11:43.8
Marami sa atin na
11:44.7
Nakinig dun sa mga hearings
11:50.5
This is proven in court
11:51.7
Beyond reasonable doubt
11:57.8
Pero huwag niya kalimutan guys
12:04.3
Autoridad dito sa Amerika
12:07.0
Preponderance of evidence
12:09.6
Sa systematic violation
12:11.5
And exploitative practices
12:12.6
Itong person of interest na yan
12:14.1
Kaya nga si Kibuloy
12:17.3
Isa sa mga kanyang concern
12:18.4
Is not extradition
12:22.1
Philippine authorities
12:27.3
And then handing him
12:28.4
Over to the authorities
12:29.7
In the United States
12:34.2
Of an extradition treaty
12:35.7
Sa pagitan ng Pilipinas
12:36.9
And ng Estados Unidos
12:39.4
Baka mangyari sa kanya
12:40.7
Extraordinary rendition
12:44.5
At dadanin siya sa Amerika
12:49.4
Nalala ko yung mga
12:51.4
Guantanamo discussion
12:53.3
Di ba nalala niya
12:53.9
Yung global war on terror
12:57.4
Extraordinary rendition
12:58.9
All around the world
12:59.8
Dinala sa Amerika
13:04.2
I don't know kung may basihan
13:05.2
Yung sinasabi niya
13:05.9
I think as far as
13:06.6
The US is concerned
13:07.4
They wanna handle this
13:12.9
And the most sensible way
13:16.1
Diyan sa Pilipinas
13:18.2
Which which of course
13:20.8
About the state of affairs
13:24.5
Ng mga malalaking
13:25.6
Political figures in the country
13:27.0
Including of course
13:31.8
Sarah Duterte now
13:33.4
I think is trying to
13:34.2
Project this image
13:42.1
I pay very close attention
13:44.3
Dun sa kanyang mga
13:45.8
Sa kanyang interventions
13:51.6
So ang nilalabas talaga dito
13:55.1
Nang Duterte camp
13:56.5
This Kiboloy saga
13:58.4
Is being exploited
13:59.9
By certain people
14:01.4
Who want to take her out
14:03.2
As the frontrunner
14:04.3
For 2028 elections
14:05.5
So yun yung angle
14:10.7
Essentially everyone
14:13.9
Everyone piling on
14:15.1
Again as I always said
14:19.3
For really taking the lead
14:22.2
And it looks like
14:23.6
We are at a situation
14:26.5
Yung mga ibang liderato
14:27.7
Especially leaders
14:29.2
Not only sa Senado
14:30.5
Who are in charge of
14:32.1
Overseeing as opina
14:35.3
Enforcement talaga
14:36.4
Ng itong hearings na ito
14:37.7
Na dapat nagpakita
14:39.4
But we're seeing also
14:40.5
In the Philippine House
14:41.3
Of Representatives
14:41.9
Which is not necessarily
14:44.4
The bastion of fiscalization
14:46.2
Of abuses and all
14:47.6
To be honest about it
14:52.2
In fairness naman
14:53.0
There are many sincere
14:56.1
Si Congressman Adyong
14:57.6
Have also emphasized
15:05.7
Talagang dapat may
15:10.2
Of the legislature
15:11.1
For summoning people
15:13.1
For questioning people
15:16.2
Interest to legislation
15:17.6
And matters of interest
15:22.0
Balikan natin ito
15:40.2
Ang framing nila dito
15:50.4
Hindi pinangalanan
15:54.0
Nilalabas dito is
16:01.6
Ang vice-presidente
16:03.3
Paysayan ng Pilipinas
16:04.9
Naging kagawian na
16:07.9
Ng sari-saring issue
16:09.0
Laban sa vice-presidente
16:12.5
Ang vice-presidente
16:15.6
Sa mga nangangarap
16:34.5
Na may tamang panahon
16:52.7
Na may tamang panahon
17:09.2
Ang framing dito is
17:10.6
Ang focus ko dito
17:14.5
Bilang vicepresidente
17:15.6
Although I found it
17:16.7
Quite interesting
17:17.2
Ang sinasabi niya
17:17.9
Like the vice president
17:32.0
Office of the president
17:32.9
Last time I checked
17:33.5
Actually the vice president
17:39.2
Things don't work out
17:40.0
For the president
17:41.9
I just found that
17:42.6
Phrasing quite interesting
17:43.9
I'm not questioning
17:45.1
Of the vice president
17:46.3
I'm not saying anything
17:47.3
I just found that kind of
17:51.8
If there's one person
17:52.7
Who has an interest
17:54.2
If there's one person
17:56.4
Is the vice president
18:00.5
Yung senate president
18:01.4
Speaker of the house
18:09.9
Na itong intervention
18:21.3
Sa kanyang trabaho
18:28.6
Kinagamit lang nila
18:32.3
Score points against her
18:33.6
There are many people there
18:34.7
Who are trying to position
18:35.7
For the 2020 elections
18:41.7
Ito na nagpo-position
18:42.8
For 2020 elections
18:44.8
Last time I checked
18:47.0
The one who's leading
18:48.6
In the service right now
18:49.7
Na hindi pinapublish
18:53.8
And last time I checked
18:55.2
Andiyan ba si Rafi Tulfo
18:56.7
Doon sa mga hearings
19:00.2
I haven't heard much
19:02.3
When it comes to this issue
19:06.7
Nang nangyari dito
19:13.3
Or nakikisal siya
19:15.2
Because there are
19:16.6
Also a lot of people
19:17.3
Are commenting here
19:18.0
Who have no interest
19:18.8
Whatsoever in 2020 elections
19:21.0
Even in a position
19:22.4
The 2020 elections
19:23.2
At this point in time
19:27.7
When it comes to the
19:28.4
Duterte-Kibuloy issue
19:30.8
The more direct angle
19:33.3
Doon sa mga nagtestigo
19:35.3
Laban kay Kibuloy
19:36.5
Isa sa mga sinasabi nila is
19:38.8
So ito yung statement ni
19:48.4
Or something like that
19:49.3
Dito sa mga Duterte
19:55.2
Ito yung mga accusations
20:01.6
I'm just trying to
20:05.9
Statement comes after
20:08.8
Of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ
20:12.6
Sinabi niya sa sanada
20:14.6
Na Duterte received guns
20:16.8
When she was still
20:17.5
Mayor daw of Davao
20:19.3
Senate Committee on
20:20.1
Women, Children, and Gender Equality
20:25.9
Deputy Minority Leader
20:27.0
Position quite strange
20:28.7
Dalawa na nga lang silang
20:31.7
Na genuine opposition
20:33.1
Deputy Minority Leader
20:34.6
Held its second hearing
20:37.0
Doon sa alleged abuses
20:38.7
This person of interest
20:39.7
At yung kanyang simbahan
20:41.0
There's this person
20:47.1
At former president
20:49.3
Pumisita daw sila
20:52.3
Na itong person of interest
20:55.9
Kung saan kumukuha
21:03.9
Who also of course
21:05.0
Talk about among others
21:06.5
Exploitative practices
21:07.7
Extremely exploitative practices
21:16.0
Biologically male
21:21.2
Timitignan natin dito
21:26.0
And was physically abused
21:27.8
He also testified
21:28.5
To being forced by the church
21:31.4
He would fork over
21:32.6
The money to them
21:33.9
Daily quota daw nila
21:43.6
He was forced to work
21:45.1
For television network
21:48.7
Kibuloy would allegedly
21:49.7
Give them allowances
21:52.2
To 300 pesos lang
21:54.4
Naman dun sa weekly show
21:55.6
Na si Michael Kikan
22:01.3
So that tells you
22:02.4
About the level of closeness
22:08.2
Once again lang guys
22:09.5
Walang mag-reply dito
22:52.2
Ang mga sa pagharahat
22:53.1
Sa mutang level members ng gunok
22:54.2
Kaya itong response ni Sara Duterte.
22:58.9
But aside from dito sa bags of gun accusations, allegations ng mga nage-expose at mga former members ng church na yan,
23:11.3
the thing is, of course, it's also the political branding.
23:14.7
Pag tinignan mo yung Davao politics, essentially, of course, there's the nogralises among others.
23:20.4
But hindi sila yung impositions of power over the past decade or so.
23:26.3
I remember back in the day, yung si Sen. Nograles was the Speaker of the House.
23:31.4
I think panonin-aroy yun, di ba?
23:33.6
There was a time that we would think the nogralises are the upward trajectory.
23:38.6
But the reality is that what we're seeing right now is that essentially this duo of Digong and Kiboloy have been the dominant face and force
23:48.2
as far as the Davao politics.
23:50.4
And then may aspect din dyan na si, ang pangalan niya, si Pantalion Alvarez.
23:57.9
Ay nandun din sa eksena na yan to a certain degree.
24:00.5
But really this duo, right?
24:01.9
So if you look at their branding, and you look at their institutional ties, their personal ties,
24:07.5
if you look at itong ginagawa ng SMNI, so in a way, they're political twins.
24:16.3
They kind of come in packages, especially the former president.
24:20.4
Ibang usapan niya si Sarah.
24:21.7
But if you look at the former president, he has a show dito sa SMNI.
24:26.9
Gikan sa masa para sa masa.
24:28.6
Of course, as far as most people are concerned, if you look at dito sa SMNI na yan,
24:35.3
it's kind of seen as like, you know, kung mga kung Fox News ay ito ay,
24:40.4
if the accusation is that the Fox News in the US is essentially the propaganda arm of the Republican Party
24:46.9
or Trump to a certain degree.
24:48.5
Of course, the accusation in the Philippines, at least from,
24:50.4
for the critics, ang SMNI po has been fulfilling that role in behalf of Digong
24:55.3
or at least a mindset or mentality or ideology na similar dun sa pag-iisip at paradigms ni Digong.
25:04.1
Kasi kung titignan niyo yung mga interventions, not only of Kiboloy, but a lot of people who worked there,
25:08.9
a lot of them actually were there during the Duterte administration.
25:12.3
At least one of them was the presidential spokesman of Digong.
25:16.6
If you look at yung emphasis nila sa federalism, yung emphasis nila sa,
25:20.4
what critics would see as red-tagging or kind of demonization of people affiliated with the left.
25:27.0
If you look at their stance on the war on drugs, if you look at their stance on America,
25:31.1
if you look at their stance on China, among others, SMNI's essentially framing of issues
25:37.7
is very similar to how Duterte, Rodrigo Duterte would do it, right?
25:41.6
So there's definitely that aspect of political entwinement, you know, between Kiboloy and Duterte.
25:47.9
So there's not only this.
25:50.4
This aspect of direct accusations of, you know, bags of guns, there's also this aspect of branding
25:56.2
or kind of a, you know, political entwinement between Kiboloy and Duterte.
26:02.4
So that's why, kaya nga sabi ko, interesado ako parate to see how the Duterte camp will respond to this.
26:09.7
So far, the response we see immediately from Saad Duterte is, wala akong kinalaman dyan.
26:13.4
I'm above the fray. I'm just gonna focus on my job. Huwag niyo ako idamay dun sa mga ewan niyo.
26:19.5
Wala akong kinalaman.
26:20.4
And I know yung mga iba, they're trying to drag me into this issue.
26:23.8
They have their own political ambitions.
26:25.4
Like, what, Riza has political ambitions in 2028?
26:28.8
I mean, sabi ko, hindi pa nga settle sa inyong leader of opposition.
26:31.8
So, anyway, so that's the accusation being levied back at those who are accusing at least Saad Duterte.
26:39.0
Let's see what Digong will say or some of the other Duterte support to say.
26:42.0
But I think on the third level, and this is the important thing.
26:44.7
So the first thing is, itong direct accusations of bags of guns na sinistrike down immediately.
26:50.4
Certainly Saad Duterte, because, you know, that has crazy implications.
26:53.5
Second is this political entwinement branding this whole Kiboloy Duterte kind of package,
26:58.5
which we have been quite familiarized with, to put it mildly, over the past decade or so.
27:03.4
Pero pangatlo, and importantly, as I said, mahirap na hiwalayan itong issue ni Kiboloy
27:09.9
dun from the other parallel issue, although quite different in nature and implication,
27:14.7
of yung ISIS investigations against Digong.
27:17.2
Because let's just be honest, if you look at it from a psychological,
27:20.4
political standpoint, the person of interest in our discussion went from someone who was seen in many ways as untouchable.
27:28.6
I mean, nakalala ko yung timing, yung billboard niyan, nandyan sa EDSA, self-anointed son of, you know,
27:34.0
my goodness, I mean, my lord, my god, I mean, I cannot even say it, di ba?
27:38.3
Itong tao na to, mayroon silang media outlet, mga bayani, you know, all over the place,
27:45.4
doing very well actually online, in fairness, I'll tell you that.
27:50.4
But this is a person na, di ba parang may back and forth pa with si Vice Ganda ba yan at some point in time?
27:57.6
Di ba nagsasagutan sila ni Vice Ganda, no?
28:01.0
So, I mean, this is a person seen as almost untouchable, right?
28:06.4
For a very long time, not untouchable in the, you know, the kind of Brahmin caste system,
28:11.2
but untouchable in terms of napakalakas niya, don't even think about it.
28:14.9
And the fact na Driesa Hontiveras, itong mga investigations na ginagawa sa Senate, I mean, my goodness,
28:20.4
na ibang Senators, nasa ibang figures, tagal na, nasi Driesa lang, dalaga nag-overseen ito,
28:24.8
that tells you na almost there was this aura of invincibility, aura of untouchability, no?
28:29.8
Invincibility dito around sa person of interest na yan.
28:31.9
And then now, suddenly, ang sinisabi ng tao na yan na he cannot even show his face sa videos, among others,
28:37.2
because siguro matrack daw yung kanyang locations or, you know, who knows?
28:41.8
I mean, right? You can think of many things, bakit kaya ayaw magpakita ng mga hanin sa video.
28:46.7
So, this person now is essentially, you know,
28:51.9
So, that's quite something to go from invincibility to nagtatago.
28:57.0
Totally trying to avoid the arm of the state or authorities or any kind of direct scrutiny or tracking down.
29:03.9
This is quite something, you know?
29:05.6
Go from invincibility and all of that and all that aura of, you know, untouchability to this, it's huge.
29:12.0
It's a huge psychological and political shift.
29:16.2
So, I'm not saying it's exactly parallel case because the ICC case is much more complicated.
29:20.5
It is not the FBI. It's not the United States.
29:24.6
BBM, being BBM, once again, sakin,
29:26.5
no, hindi kayo magkakopert sa ICC and all of that.
29:28.7
But then again, mga kameta,
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you're talking about a former president who was also seen as invincible,
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who is now not seen as vulnerable necessarily, but also not so invincible, right?
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So, I think that is where some people are going to be concerned na baka itong nangyayari kay Kibolay Neto
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is just a kind of, you know, it's not a good thing.
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It's just a kind of, you know, it's not a good thing.
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It's just a kind of, you know, it's not a good thing.
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It's just a kind of a dry run, right?
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Or it will pave the way for also a massive move on the ICC front.
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Now, again, katulad na pinag-usapan natin dun sa mga dating episodes,
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and I think my good friend and co-host, Ronaldo Llamas, did a very good job.
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Sabi niya, iba yung FBI, iba yung ICC, iba yung mga cases na yan.
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I understand that.
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But there's also aspect of investigation,
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some sort of international judicial body or international law enforcement body
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trying to go after someone who's not a member of the ICC.
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Someone who's invincible and trying to go after someone
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who was part of the core power elite, no?
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Not long ago. Not long ago.
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So, if the invincibility of Kibolay is something that is withering away,
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the question right now is,
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is the invincibility of Duterte gonna be the next thing?
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As far as Sarah's concerned, she's distancing herself from that.
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Now, the interesting thing is, as far as Riza Antiveras is concerned,
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tuloy-tuloy ang kanyang push dito para sa hostisya.
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Ang embahada ng Amerika also released a statement talking about
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vowing justice, that walang takas dito sa hostisya.
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Kung ano ang drama dyan, hindi mag-work yan.
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Kahit anong Karen, Darren, Kevin, Ken ang mangyari dyan,
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hindi mag-work yan dahil meron na silang ebidensya.
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They have overwhelming evidence of abuses and all happening.
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At isa ito yung sinasabi ng Amerika.
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Now, as far as Riza Antiveras is concerned,
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she also made it very clear.
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Pag hindi sila nagpakita sa susunod na hearing, March 5,
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isasight ko sila in contempt.
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Pa-aresto ko siya.
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Should it have been ang mga pinapuno, palaan ko sila.
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Pag hindi sila nagpakita sa susunod na hearing,
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Actually, there's another press conference at Riza Antiveras just the other day.
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Nag-grabe din na inulit itong mga, some of the accusations that were.
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I-deliver, isa-serve ng osaa ng Senate Security
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kay Pastor Kibuloy sa Davao.
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Stronger than an invitation.
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Kailangan sundin niya, i-heed niya yung sabina.
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Complex yung mukha ng mga aksyon na nararanasan ng mga dating miyembro,
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dating scholars, dating ginagawang pulubi ni Kibuloy sa loob ng kingdom.
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Lumalabas yung mga aspeto ng...
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Paglabag sa karapatan ng bata.
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Pagpipigil or pagniglek sa karapatan nilang makapag-aral.
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Pagpupumilit sa kanilang magmalimos sa kalsada.
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Pagpupumilit din sa ibang mga miyembro nila maglimos.
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At kapag hindi nila ma-hit yung goal or quota nila,
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pinaparusahan sila.
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Physical punishment.
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At lumalabas na meron pa silang nalalamang mga dating kasama na
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met me up, patay na.
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And by similar, if not identical modus operandi,
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two bullets to the head.
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May mga labor violations na lumalabas.
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Pinapatrabaho sila, whether as nagmamalimos
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o as mga researcher o mga cameraman.
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Pero walang sahod.
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At syempre, yung una na nating narinig sa unang pagdinig pa lang,
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yung panga-abuso sa mga kababaihan at pati mga minor de edad.
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Rape, other forms of sexual abuse.
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Palala ng palala.
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At palawak ng palawak.
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And I think palinaw ng palinaw yung larawan ng mga...
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panga-abuso sa loob ng hindang.
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Ayan na naman, may nagko-comment dyan ng fabricated lahat naman yan.
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Sabi nga ni Batok, kung wala naman kayang ginawa,
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wala kayang dapat ikakatakot.
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Ganon kasimple lang naman.
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Kung fabrication lahat mga to,
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ayakong lahat naman to ay gawa-gawa lang.
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Kung isa pa yung wiktima na nag-filling Joseph,
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my goodness, ito na naman yung mga
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almost blasphemous claims na yan.
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I-disprove na yan.
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Pero ako naman, just to be fair, as I said,
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unless ito ay hindi proven sa courts,
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sa ating mga korte,
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beyond reasonable doubt,
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we'll still classify them, put them in the bag,
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in the category of allegations.
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But as I said, there's also this aspect na
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pagdating sa FBI at international authorities,
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para sa kanina, meron na yung preponderance of evidence.
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So it's not like galing lahat ito out of nowhere.
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So you're seeing evidence and testimonies
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and witnesses from all different sides coming together
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to make these kinds of allegations and all of that.
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So as I said, kung wala ka naman ginawang mali,
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dapat wala kang ikakatakot.
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Simple lang naman yung sinasabi natin dito, eh, diba?
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Kasi yun din ang naman sinasabi nila
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nung paano nasinay na sa power, right?
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So are they saying na walang rule of law sa Pilipinas?
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Are they saying na tiwala lang sila sa mga sistema natin
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just when they're in position of power to themselves, right?
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So, I don't know.
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I mean, well, we know actually the answer.
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This is a rhetorical, I don't know.
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But as I said, once again,
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This is also the moment when we see
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the mental of leadership of Rizal Antiveros.
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Kasi grabe, ang binabanggan ni Rizal Antiveros,
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kaya hindi lang isa sa mga pinaka
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quote-unquote charismatic religious leaders
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from the South, from Mindanao,
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where there's a lot of resentment against progressive liberals,
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there's a lot of resentment against Imperial Manila,
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there's a lot of support for Duterte
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and for Quiboloy, among others.
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Ang binabanggan din niya ay, in effect,
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indirectly, the Vice President.
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A very powerful politician,
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as far as I know,
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Rizal is not on good terms with PBM,
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the current president.
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I mean, after all,
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unlike some dilawan and all of that,
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Rizal Antiveros has stood her ground
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and she's true and true at progressive
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and true and true sticking to her convictions.
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And nakita natin,
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from the Keon Dela Santos case,
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all the way to this case,
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nung nilabas yung case ni Keon Dela Santos,
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na nagdala siya ng mga witnesses.
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Let's talk about her track record.
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Time na nilabas niya yung mga witnesses
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dun sa killing ni Keon Dela Santos, right?
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Dun sa nangyaring extrajudicial killing.
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Nag-invento ba siya?
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Gawa-gawa lang ba yan?
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Last time we checked, actually,
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even during Digong's time,
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people were heard accountable.
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In a court of law.
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Sa kalawak ng ano yan, diba?
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For the killing of Keon Dela Santos.
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So, Rizal Antiveros has a very strong track record.
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Of coming out with witnesses
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and going after cases of abuse
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Not only vindicated by history,
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but vindicated by courts and evidence.
36:53.3
But then again, as I said,
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If wala namang ginawang mali,
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dapat wala silang ikakatakot.
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At itong idea ng mga extraordinary rendition,
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I don't know about that.
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baka stretch yan.
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But then again, as I said,
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this is not only about Kiboloy.
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This is also about these bigger,
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bigger shifts in our political landscape.
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This is about the Dutertes
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and that's why you see
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this kind of intervention by Sara.
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what I found very interesting
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with Sara Duterte,
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is that ang nilalabas na dito
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is parang siya yung,
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Parang above the fray political figure.
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Which is quite something different
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from what we know
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from dun sa kanyang
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positioning and projection
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thank you very much mga kameta.
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Balikan natin itong issue na taas.
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More and more updates come in.
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Have a good, blessed evening
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and good morning naman dun sa mga
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nasa time zone natin.
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thank you very much.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
