01:19.1
You know, baka ano yan. Kasi there are many Ilocanos who migrated to Davao. Ang daming Ilocanos sa Davao, baka yun yun.
01:26.0
Exactly, exactly. Alam ko may mga Tulpo Brothers din sa Davao dyan. Ito niyan ako yung mga Tulpo Brothers.
01:32.6
Senator Rafi and si Erwin, sabi ko. Ilocano rin palang background nila.
01:37.3
So anyway, so kutop ko yung mga yan eh. Yung mga kamag-anak namin na bumaba dyan. Medyo third generation na nawala na ng ano.
01:44.8
Kasi dito Justice Carpenter sa Baguio may mga bumper sticker na parang, eto parang love, love, love BBM.
01:51.5
And then pag nilagay nila yung picture ni Sara Duterte, etong babaeng to.
01:56.0
Kansin, Karen, alam mo di Ilocano version of that. So sabi ko, itong 1% na to. Hindi taga Baguio itong mga to.
02:02.7
Eto Justice Carpenter, bago natin pag-usapan, isa pang kadavao natin dyan si Kiboloy.
02:08.1
Eto, pag-usapan natin, matters of national interest. Okay, let's get the ball rolling.
02:13.6
Okay Justice Carpenter, wow, wow. Last time na nag-usap tayo, our options were the following.
02:19.9
Harry Roque, Salvador Panelo, the Beijing Embassy, right?
02:26.0
Ment pa rin naman si Sara, tsaka si Cayetano.
02:28.5
But, since we last talk, Digong is out.
02:32.1
Digong is out and gave an interview to, I think the most credible newspaper on earth, Global Times, right?
02:38.7
I mean, it's quite an honor to be on Global Times.
02:42.1
And there was a back and forth with President BBM over this whole gentleman's agreement.
02:46.9
First of all, what is your take on Digong's, I don't know, palusot explanation?
02:52.0
And then BBM's response to the gentleman's agreement once he returned.
02:57.3
Well, that started with the New York Times article quoting a Chinese embassy official that there was a gentleman's agreement.
03:11.4
And then Harry Roque confirmed it, but Salvador Panelo said that's a lie, sinungaling yan, publicity seeker lang.
03:22.7
Because he said he checked with the...
03:26.0
President Duterte, wala rong ganyan.
03:28.6
And then, suddenly, Global Times said there is a gentleman's agreement.
03:34.6
And bigla nalang bumaligtan si Duterte.
03:36.7
Sabi niya, yes, there is.
03:38.6
So, mukhang may hawak yung Chinese.
03:43.2
Kasi pinadamit, you cannot get out of this.
03:46.4
There was a gentleman's agreement.
03:47.8
So, he had to confirm.
03:49.7
So, ano yung gentleman's agreement, sabi ni Duterte?
03:53.8
It is a status quo agreement.
03:56.0
Agreement na since we were not supplying already construction materials to BRP Sierra Madre,
04:05.1
we should not continue to, we should not supply anymore.
04:09.3
Yun darawang status quo.
04:11.3
Pero, that's refuted by everything.
04:14.0
First, the Code of Conduct, rather the Declaration of Conduct of 2002,
04:20.1
that was long before...
04:26.0
We bitched the 2002 Declaration of Conduct.
04:36.5
Sabi sa Declaration of Conduct,
04:38.5
the parties shall not occupy unoccupied features.
04:42.7
Na-occupy na natin yung insured.
04:45.0
So, were that included there?
04:47.0
If you previously occupied it, you can continue.
04:50.8
And you can repair whatever you have there because...
04:53.7
Kasi 1999 ito, di ba?
05:00.7
1999, we bitched the Sierra Madre.
05:05.5
Sinadsad natin sa yung insured.
05:10.8
So, we are governed by the Declaration of Conduct.
05:14.2
We are allowed to continue repairing.
05:16.9
And in fact, until 2017, when the gentleman's agreement was signed,
05:21.8
we have been really repairing.
05:24.4
Because, pag hindi mo ni-repair,
05:26.0
yan, guguhu ko yan,
05:29.2
and we will lose our presence.
05:31.3
In fact, the military has explained it that way.
05:34.5
That if we don't repair it,
05:36.2
it will collapse,
05:38.3
and it will sink,
05:39.2
and we will lose our presence,
05:40.5
and China will come in.
05:44.2
The military said.
05:46.4
So, in today's paper,
05:52.2
former Secretary of Defense,
05:56.0
and former Secretary of Defense,
05:58.9
the military said,
06:01.3
that you will not repair your building.
06:02.8
Even during the later part of the Duterte administration,
06:07.5
of the Duterte administration,
06:08.7
they kept on sending construction materials to repair.
06:12.1
So, the status quo,
06:14.8
before and after the gentleman's agreement,
06:19.4
was clearly to continue repairing.
06:22.0
That was the facts on the ground.
06:26.0
So, ano itong status quo sinasabi ni Duterte?
06:30.9
It's not the actual status quo.
06:35.5
So, ang ginagawa niya is because the Chinese really want to see the Sierra Madre collapse.
06:46.4
And if we don't repair it, it will collapse.
06:48.8
The superstructure is already rusted, corroded.
06:52.5
It cannot sail anymore.
06:54.1
The engine is corroded.
06:55.2
I mean, there's no way to repair the engine.
06:58.6
It's totally corroded.
07:01.7
So, mali yung premise niya na the status quo is we do not supply construction materials to Sierra Madre.
07:15.0
And sinabi niya in his press conference,
07:19.1
I consult the defense secretary, the national security count,
07:25.2
the advisor, pero they all denied.
07:29.3
They were consulted.
07:30.8
Sabi ni defense secretary, former defense secretary Lorenzana in the inquiry today,
07:38.6
sabi niya, I'm not aware of that gentleman's agreement.
07:43.5
Sabi ni Anyo, I don't know about that gentleman's agreement.
07:47.0
And there's nobody in the Department of Foreign Affairs who's saying that he knows about the gentleman's agreement.
07:55.2
They don't have any record.
07:57.2
Nobody's saying that, yes, there is such a gentleman's agreement.
08:00.9
So, mukhang si Duterte lang ito.
08:03.5
And remember, in his press conference, sinabi niya pa ito,
08:06.2
I do not even know about the Ayungin Shoal.
08:09.1
So, inamin niya na he doesn't know anything about the Ayungin Shoal,
08:14.4
yet he entered into an agreement where the subject matter is Ayungin Shoal.
08:19.0
So, ano klaseng press conference?
08:25.2
Yeah, it looks like the premise of the claim by...
08:29.9
...when he didn't know anything about Ayungin Shoal.
08:33.3
But Justice, didn't you brief Duterte back in the day?
08:36.8
Di ba nag-briefing ka sa kanila?
08:51.6
Sorry, Justice. Mukhang may nagalit sa mga sinabi ko about Ilocan.
08:55.2
Anos na one person.
08:56.9
Sinasabotage na yata tayo.
08:59.2
So, just to go back to this, Justice Carpio,
09:03.0
what is happening here?
09:04.4
Is Duterte equivocating here?
09:07.9
Is he totally clueless about this?
09:10.7
Is there a secondary gentleman's agreement we don't know about
09:14.5
na parang sinabi ni Digong,
09:16.1
ito yung agreement ko sa China, pero bahala sila dyan.
09:18.6
May sarili naman tayong agreement.
09:19.9
Like, what is your read there?
09:21.3
Or palusot lang talaga yung ginagawa ni Digong dito
09:23.3
na walang sumusuporta sa kanila?
09:25.2
Is he actually taking it on his own?
09:28.9
Well, first of all,
09:34.2
he admitted that there is such an agreement.
09:37.0
He probably had an agreement with President Xi,
09:41.0
personal agreement,
09:42.2
but nobody knew about it.
09:43.5
Sila-sila na nag-uusap.
09:45.4
And so, it didn't trickle down to the commanders on the ground.
09:49.9
So, the commanders continued to supply construction materials
09:55.2
So, in other words, baka he just said yes to President Xi
10:06.6
kasi he cannot say no to President Xi.
10:09.5
So, oo nang oo lang siguro siya kahit na hindi niya alam
10:12.2
ano yung inoo-oo niya.
10:14.0
Kasi sabi niya, wala akong alam dyan.
10:15.8
He didn't even know where Ayungin Xi is.
10:20.2
So, siguro he was too intimidated with the President Xi
10:25.0
na oo nang oo na lang siya.
10:27.1
And nobody down in his cabinet or down the chain of command
10:35.4
So, it's very strange.
10:37.4
I mean, first he denied it.
10:40.5
Now, he's admitted it.
10:43.6
So, talagang ano?
10:45.6
And he said, he admitted it,
10:47.5
but he said, I don't know anything about Ayungin Xi.
10:50.0
But the subject matter of the agreement was Ayungin Xi.
10:55.0
Well, I think we should call for a congressional inquiry.
11:00.2
Ano klaseng agreement yun?
11:03.2
Bakit nag-agree ka na hindi mo pa alam kung saan yung Ayungin Xi?
11:09.4
I mean, okay, it's not a formal agreement.
11:14.2
It doesn't also look like a gentleman's agreement
11:16.6
because one of them is not a gentleman
11:18.5
or doesn't even know what he's agreeing to.
11:20.6
I mean, anong silbe neto kung hindi na pa-pass down sa chain of command?
11:25.5
I don't even understand.
11:26.5
Like, what is China gonna get out of a
11:28.6
like, sabog na conversation?
11:32.7
Ano yung usabang kanto lang yan?
11:34.5
What the heck was going on there?
11:36.9
Well, alam mo, China is now saying,
11:39.8
oh, it's a gentleman's agreement,
11:41.9
but it is binding on the Philippines.
11:44.1
It's a state to state.
11:46.8
They're calling it now a China-Philippines agreement.
11:50.7
that's why they're saying that we must,
11:56.6
And the next president should honor it.
11:59.9
And that is contrary to what Dugong is saying,
12:03.4
that Duterte is saying,
12:04.4
that it's only between him and President Xi.
12:06.7
Contrary to what Harry Roque is saying,
12:08.5
that it's a personal agreement,
12:10.1
it does not bind the successor.
12:11.8
So tali, iba-iba yung interpretation nila eh.
12:14.2
Among themselves, they say,
12:15.5
it exists, it does not exist.
12:17.4
It's binding, it's not binding.
12:19.1
Justice, alam mo naman nangyari eh.
12:21.3
May nahuli, ayaw magpauling buhay.
12:25.0
Naglalaglagan lang sila eh.
12:25.9
I think, I think I know,
12:27.5
we both know what's exactly happening here.
12:29.9
I mean, Justice Carpio,
12:31.0
I don't believe he doesn't know about Ayungin Shul.
12:33.2
He was briefed, right?
12:34.6
I mean, you should know about that.
12:36.0
I'm sure he knows the basics.
12:37.8
He's not an idiot.
12:38.7
He might not be the sharpest guy there,
12:40.6
but he's not an idiot.
12:42.0
feeling ko palusot lang to eh.
12:44.8
Naglolokohan lang sila eh.
12:48.6
if he says that he doesn't know about Ayungin Shul,
12:53.1
the more he will look like,
12:55.6
entering the agreement
12:57.3
when he doesn't know what the subject matter is.
13:01.1
Baka akala niyan yung Ayungin Shul
13:03.1
sa Philippine Sea,
13:06.0
I have one more suspicion.
13:07.5
Di ba sabi ni BBM,
13:09.0
minsan sumosobra yung fentanyl?
13:15.7
it was one of those days.
13:17.8
It was one of those days.
13:21.9
nag vitamin C na yan,
13:24.3
Pumunta sa meeting,
13:25.1
na-stress siya kay Xi Jinping.
13:29.2
Kasi Justice Carpio,
13:30.4
we know that Digong said no to Xi Jinping
13:33.0
in other circumstances.
13:34.6
Remember when Xi Jinping asked him
13:36.0
to close down yung mga pogo?
13:38.1
And then biglang nag-drama-drama daw si Digong na
13:40.3
it is our national interest,
13:42.5
mga charot-charot.
13:43.7
So we know there are times na he says no to Xi Jinping
13:46.3
pag-involve mga pogo.
13:48.3
So, I don't know.
13:49.4
It's like, what's going on there?
13:50.6
It's the fentanyl.
13:55.6
hindi national interest yun eh.
13:60.0
negosyo, negosyo.
14:02.2
mawawalan ako ng negosyo.
14:05.6
pwede pamigay ni,
14:11.2
Pero pagdating sa
14:14.3
territorial issue,
14:16.0
iba yung position ni President Xi.
14:18.0
Talagang hardline yan.
14:22.3
eh kahit na hindi siya,
14:23.8
na umuuko siya eh.
14:28.8
bago natin pag-usapan
14:29.8
yung mga stance niya
14:30.8
kay Kiboloy naman,
14:31.8
kasi sabi niya Kiboloy,
14:34.0
hindi ako wanted dyan,
14:35.7
Bago natin pupuntahan
14:36.8
yung kadawaw niyo
14:39.3
pag-usapan naman natin
14:40.8
I mean, we talked about fentanyl.
14:42.2
Pag-usapan naman natin
14:45.5
si President BBM,
14:50.3
I don't know if I can use
14:51.6
the word condemned,
14:52.4
but he strongly lamented
14:55.7
itong Gentleman's Agreement.
14:57.0
It looks like may pinakita
15:02.7
which convinced the President
15:04.4
that it does exist,
15:07.4
siguro yung sinasabi
15:09.6
What is your read
15:10.3
of President Marcos Jr.'s
15:12.7
strong criticism of this
15:17.2
May nakita ba siyang document?
15:19.0
May compromise ba?
15:20.2
Did they say anything?
15:23.6
we have no record
15:27.7
We have not found
15:30.2
There is no memo.
15:31.7
Nobody can say that
15:34.1
Gentleman's Agreement.
15:36.8
is probably also mystified, no?
15:41.8
Why Duterte would
15:45.6
and then confirm it
15:47.1
and then he will say,
15:49.1
I don't even know
15:49.8
about Ayugin Shul.
15:52.4
it's really mystifying,
15:55.7
Parang may alam kong ganun,
15:57.4
kung may tatanungin ka,
15:59.8
I can't hear you,
16:03.0
Ayaw sagutin sa interview,
16:06.1
hindi kita marinig,
16:07.9
I think may ganun
16:09.7
alam ko yung mga palusot na yan.
16:12.5
the President's response
16:18.1
at least he's openly saying
16:19.3
that something wrong
16:20.3
may have happened.
16:20.9
He didn't use the word treason.
16:22.4
But he kind of came close
16:27.1
yung national interest natin.
16:28.8
I think tama yung ano niya,
16:30.4
that we have to establish
16:32.8
Kung ano talagang nangyari.
16:39.8
state-to-state agreement.
16:43.7
He must formulate
16:48.9
state-to-state agreement,
16:50.1
but he has to know
16:52.4
you have to talk to
16:54.1
Ano ba talagang nangyari?
16:57.1
how do we respond
17:00.3
it's a state-to-state agreement?
17:02.3
So, we have to get the facts.
17:04.9
Do you think that
17:09.0
did not appreciate
17:10.6
our constitutional order
17:13.8
they're not mutually exclusive,
17:15.6
Pilipinas ay parang
17:18.8
May agreement na kayo ni Hunsen,
17:22.4
something like that happened?
17:23.4
That the Chinese misread
17:25.0
Philippine structure?
17:26.2
So, one of the interesting things
17:27.3
during that time was,
17:28.5
kasi ininbita pa rin ako
17:31.0
Bakit iba yung sinasabi
17:33.1
iba yung sinasabi ni Loxin,
17:34.5
iba yung sinasabi ni Digong?
17:37.5
naive yung mga Chinese?
17:38.9
Maybe the Chinese were naive
17:41.4
about our system.
17:44.5
the Chinese didn't care
17:45.8
about our system.
17:46.9
They just wanted to get
17:48.1
Duterte to agree.
17:50.2
then they will banner it.
17:51.7
there's an agreement already.
17:54.6
kasi under international law,
17:57.0
if the head of state
17:58.1
makes a commitment
17:59.7
that binds the country,
18:01.6
even if the legal process
18:03.4
internally have not been followed,
18:05.0
because under international law,
18:06.5
the head of state is
18:07.4
presumed to have the authority
18:13.2
get Duterte to sign,
18:23.6
he probably didn't know
18:26.8
of his statement,
18:32.0
we're talking about
18:33.7
Sana naman kinuha yung kamay niya,
18:35.3
nilagay yung stamp
18:38.6
ito ilalagay nilang ganyan
18:40.1
para at least may fingerprint.
18:44.5
what the Chinese are holding.
18:46.5
when the Global Times said
18:48.3
there is an agreement,
18:49.4
biglang dumaliktad si Duterte,
18:51.7
takot si Duterte,
18:53.4
baka may hawak na.
18:54.6
may pinitik siya.
18:56.0
Baka merong video.
18:58.5
Baka may video sila.
19:00.4
bakit bumaliktad bigla siya?
19:04.1
Parang may pagka-Trump,
19:05.6
Biglang pag nandun si Putin,
19:07.2
mabait na siya bigla
19:08.2
kinokontrol niya.
19:10.1
we don't know, right?
19:12.7
those were crazy times.
19:14.0
We don't know exactly
19:15.3
what the Chinese are holding
19:16.5
because they are insisting
19:18.2
na there was such an agreement.
19:22.7
suddenly turn around
19:27.7
So, they may have
19:28.8
something on him, no?
19:37.0
digong being digong,
19:38.0
I don't think it's possible.
19:38.7
It's possible that
19:39.4
they can document it.
19:42.0
They probably can prove it
19:43.5
that there is such
19:44.1
a gentleman's agreement.
19:51.2
endangering their,
19:52.2
I had to use the term,
19:53.7
aren't they endangering
19:56.8
aren't the Chinese
19:57.5
compromising Duterte?
19:59.6
if this gets investigated
20:00.8
and Duterte gets burned,
20:05.6
they're not coming out yet
20:11.9
so that he will fall in line.
20:15.1
you follow the script
20:16.7
that there is such
20:17.4
a gentleman's agreement.
20:21.2
just to be clear,
20:22.4
I didn't mean asset
20:23.3
in terms of intelligence.
20:25.6
asset in terms of
20:27.8
May term ang China,
20:29.0
our special friend,
20:31.0
Old friend of China.
20:32.4
I think that's the correct term.
20:33.8
I didn't mean it asset
20:35.4
Just to be clear,
20:36.5
mamisunderstood tayo.
20:40.0
if you look at it,
20:41.7
it's very strange
20:42.7
because he was definite
20:44.9
there was no agreement.
20:49.8
Publicity seeking yan.
20:52.5
biglang bumaliktad.
20:55.7
is very suspicious,
21:00.5
tama si Harry Roque.
21:02.2
Tama yung sinabi natin,
21:03.4
mas maniwala tayo
21:05.2
kaysa kay Panelo.
21:07.5
push comes to shove
21:10.4
we're gonna choose
21:11.9
at least on this one,
21:15.3
push comes to shove
21:16.1
between Harry Roque
21:17.9
Mukhang Harry Roque
21:40.2
President Marcos Jr.,
21:42.1
did the President
21:44.0
in terms of calling
21:44.6
for investigation
21:47.1
it's just a matter of time
21:51.6
with investigation?
21:52.4
What is your understanding
22:06.0
and in the lower house
22:19.1
this is progressive
22:20.7
none of them are allied
22:21.5
to the President.
22:23.3
allies of the President?
22:28.1
sa Congress lang,
22:29.7
Ito na yung chance nila.
22:31.2
Bakit di sila magkaroon
22:32.1
ng SMNI-style hearing?
22:34.7
they can support it.
22:37.3
They will support that.
22:40.8
ginamit na naman sila
22:41.9
pang cannon fodder.
22:43.8
style ng mga trapo talaga.
22:46.3
ang nangyari dito.
22:47.1
I'm not talking about
22:51.9
minsan ganun ang ginagawa.
22:53.1
Ginagawa ang cannon fodder
22:55.5
they're using each other
22:59.3
mga pangusapan yun,
23:01.9
baka maaano tayo dyan.
23:04.0
sa labas ng bahay natin.
23:11.4
using each other.
23:12.3
That's the bottom line.
23:14.8
Alliance of convenience.
23:16.4
What's so surprising?
23:19.3
President Marcos Jr.,
23:20.2
I want to ask you this.
23:21.9
President Marcos Jr.
23:28.9
is he too much of a fox
23:30.4
and not enough of a lion?
23:32.4
we're not appreciating
23:38.6
he still talks about
23:40.8
in good terms, eh.
23:42.1
When he was asked about
23:43.0
bakit no comment si Sarah,
23:45.7
kay Sarah Duterte.
23:46.8
Kaya may mga comments,
23:49.1
Oh, but there's something new, ha?
23:50.4
Have you seen the video?
23:52.3
Please, please go ahead.
23:53.5
Did I lose something
23:55.0
Have you seen the video?
23:57.4
There was a video.
23:58.9
I sent you a video
24:02.0
the president arrived
24:04.6
and there was a reception
24:13.0
should greet first
24:13.8
the vice president.
24:15.2
But the president
24:15.8
did not greet Sarah.
24:19.1
Sarah was standing there
24:22.3
together with his
24:26.1
I shared that one.
24:27.0
Yeah, I shared that.
24:27.7
Naka one million views na tayo.
24:29.2
I think that's my most viewed video.
24:32.1
Actually, there's a debate on that.
24:34.4
what exactly happened?
24:35.5
That's the latest.
24:43.1
that's the latest
24:45.3
that says a lot, ha?
24:49.2
of the relationship
24:50.1
within the president
24:59.9
if you want to be
25:10.3
by the president.
25:15.4
Yeah, I saw that.
25:16.9
I think finance minister,
25:18.8
nung bumaba siya.
25:21.8
and then nag-usap sila
25:23.6
yata yung nasa arap eh,
25:24.6
yung matanggad na guy.
25:26.4
I think that was Ralph Recto.
25:27.8
But this was pre-departure,
25:30.8
when Marcos returned...
25:33.9
the day before that,
25:37.1
si President Duterte,
25:39.3
former president,
25:39.9
had a press conference
25:41.9
BBM did not finish college
25:45.9
hanggang second year na.
25:48.1
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
25:50.9
ayan na naman si Dugong eh.
25:55.4
napuno na rin ah.
26:00.2
masyado mabait pa rin
26:03.8
mabait pa rin si BBM?
26:04.7
Personal relationship
26:06.2
is no longer there
26:08.2
Poison na yan eh.
26:11.3
BBM mabait pa rin
26:15.0
he was asked that.
26:18.8
even if he calls me ugly,
26:21.0
I will not respond
26:26.3
President Duterte
26:27.9
ad hominem attacks
26:31.1
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
26:31.9
He explained it that way.
26:33.4
I'm not bothered by that.
26:35.3
that's what you say publicly.
26:49.1
Hindi na katulad noon,
26:55.1
Do you think that
26:56.6
the natural thing for Marcos
26:58.8
is to go after Duterte's na?
27:01.4
play it slowly and steady?
27:04.3
Is slow and steady
27:05.5
the best way forward?
27:06.9
he can pin down the Duterte's
27:08.4
both on this issue of China,
27:10.2
but also on the issue of ICC.
27:13.0
it will be a slow burn
27:17.9
matagal pa naman yung
27:22.2
the pressing issue is
27:24.3
what will Sarah do now?
27:27.4
the relationship now
27:32.0
to say the least,
27:34.2
member of the cabinet siya,
27:37.4
And she's the alter ego.
27:40.6
how can she continue
27:41.9
to be the alter ego
27:43.8
yung body language nila,
27:50.2
because I've been there
27:51.0
and matagal niyang
27:51.7
and if the president
27:53.1
doesn't greet you,
27:57.1
one million view yung
27:59.9
although marami na galit sa akin
28:01.3
na I didn't show down
28:04.0
kasi nung lumabas
28:07.1
May mga ganyan silang
28:11.9
that Sarah is not saying
28:13.8
West Philippines issue?
28:15.4
this is an official
28:17.9
about what she's eating,
28:20.5
her Louis Vuitton
28:23.6
This is the person
28:24.4
who makes comments
28:25.1
on Afghan refugees
28:26.2
coming to the Philippines.
28:28.2
who has a comment
28:28.7
on Gaza and CISFAR.
28:30.0
Pero pagdating sa
28:30.9
West Philippine Sea,
28:34.1
I mean, wala siyang comment.
28:35.0
I mean, what does this say?
28:36.8
basta Duterte coming out
28:38.1
and saying something
28:38.8
along the lines of
28:39.5
at least from what I saw.
28:41.8
narrative lang yan,
28:42.7
propaganda lang yan.
28:44.7
and then Polong coming out
28:47.0
don't demonize China.
28:48.7
what's going on here?
28:52.2
all in guns blazing,
28:53.9
essentially saying,
28:56.1
what's going on here?
29:05.0
The Duterte family
29:06.2
is still continuing
29:07.1
the policy of the father,
29:10.7
they don't want to say
29:11.8
anything against China.
29:13.9
you don't want to say
29:14.7
anything against your master,
29:16.8
they don't want to say
29:17.6
anything against China.
29:19.6
Kahit na ano nang ginagawa
29:22.7
Binobomba na tayo,
29:23.7
winawaterkano na tayo.
29:25.2
They refuse to talk.
29:28.1
they pin the blame
29:28.9
on the Philippines.
29:32.8
that position already.
29:36.8
did you read the,
29:37.6
did you see the statement,
29:45.7
The president should
29:47.6
remember what happened
29:52.3
Did you see that?
29:54.5
pinag-usapan namin
29:55.5
ni Ronald Llamas yun,
29:57.8
He lost me at Romanov.
30:01.2
mas magandang Romanov
30:02.2
kaysa Ivan de Terrible.
30:04.8
this is crazy stuff
30:06.0
we're talking about,
30:11.8
the trilateral summit.
30:15.9
it's a little bit cutting.
30:17.4
the trilateral summit
30:18.5
kasi masestress lang tayo
30:21.5
Babalikan natin sila
30:22.4
mamaya when we talk about
30:25.2
the trilateral summit,
30:27.4
What is your read
30:28.2
of the trilateral summit
30:32.2
in terms of the outcomes?
30:34.8
The U.S. Congress
30:39.5
a Luzon economic corridor.
30:41.9
Biden publicly said
30:43.2
that the Mutual Defense Treaty
30:45.5
What is your read
30:46.5
of the trilateral summit,
30:52.5
on the economic front,
30:55.8
they will provide
30:58.8
in loans and investments.
31:00.3
Nothing happened.
31:05.1
Japan and the U.S.
31:12.8
Japan will deliver
31:17.0
they can deliver.
31:19.6
will not want to be
31:29.3
it's easy for them
31:36.6
semiconductor companies
31:39.8
they can just tell them
31:41.3
in the Philippines.
31:43.9
they're in the process
31:46.9
the State Department
31:47.9
could just encourage them
31:49.9
in the Philippines.
31:54.0
that $100 billion figure
31:57.9
this is something big
31:58.9
because it generates
32:00.5
a lot of employment.
32:07.5
production lines.
32:10.7
it's a good thing.
32:21.3
aside from that $100 billion,
32:23.7
there's a bipartisan bill
32:27.8
in military assistance.
32:45.5
That is a separate bill.
32:47.2
I think this will go,
32:48.3
it's a bipartisan bill.
32:50.4
it will go quickly
32:51.7
and it will be passed quickly.
32:57.1
Justice Carpenter,
32:58.2
I think this is where
32:58.9
we slightly diverged
33:00.9
because I think everyone
33:01.6
was worried about
33:04.1
don't worry about debt trap,
33:05.2
worry about pledge trap,
33:06.7
like empty pledges
33:07.9
and nothing comes in.
33:19.0
no panahon ni Digong.
33:21.3
Justice Carpenter,
33:24.9
what do you think
33:27.5
in terms of this defense aid?
33:28.8
Kasi the economic corridor
33:30.0
makes sense to me.
33:32.8
critical infrastructure development,
33:37.2
and climate resilience.
33:39.1
everything is there.
33:40.1
It ticks all the boxes.
33:41.4
let's just hope things
33:43.1
over the next coming
33:43.8
months and years.
33:45.7
this is a defense aid.
33:47.1
Do you think it's important
33:47.9
that U.S. finally
33:48.8
we get the multi-role vessels,
33:55.2
maybe you don't agree with me,
33:56.2
but my frustration is
33:58.0
I look around the world,
33:59.9
Israel has got what?
34:01.1
Hundreds of billions of aid
34:03.0
throughout the decades.
34:05.2
Egypt got close to what?
34:06.6
Hundred billion dollars
34:07.6
aid throughout the decades.
34:11.0
I can go on and on
34:12.4
that are not even U.S. allies.
34:16.2
it looks like they have got
34:17.1
more solid defense aid
34:21.2
Jordanian Air Force,
34:22.5
Pakistani Air Force,
34:26.6
we can blame the Philippines.
34:28.2
Marami tayong kakulangan.
34:30.4
we were also taken for granted
34:31.6
for quite some time
34:33.2
it's time for a catch-up.
34:34.8
what is your read on this,
34:36.0
Justice Garfield?
34:36.9
I don't mind if you don't agree
34:39.0
but this is my read
34:40.6
The measure taken for granted
34:43.4
the facts are there.
34:45.4
They got more military aid
34:48.8
I think the reason for that
35:04.2
compete with Russia
35:12.6
Israel is another
35:13.6
completely different thing.
35:21.3
with military aid
35:34.5
to the Philippines.
35:37.9
I think that's why
35:41.0
already giving us
35:46.6
the new flashpoint
35:56.3
why we're getting
35:57.9
this attention already
35:59.5
really trouble now
36:05.1
because America's
36:06.6
threat perceptions
36:09.7
and not to mention
36:11.4
of military confrontation
36:12.9
in the South China Sea
36:13.9
and West Philippine Sea,
36:14.7
it's just natural
36:16.6
to pay more attention
36:17.9
But, are there specific
36:22.2
military financing?
36:23.3
I think $500 million
36:26.3
of this new package.
36:27.8
What do you want to see
36:28.7
in that $500 million?
36:35.6
something more advanced,
36:39.4
multi-role fighters,
36:44.0
I would like to say
36:52.5
artificial islands
36:55.5
because right now,
36:56.9
those artificial islands
37:04.7
because our air bases
37:07.0
but we have no capacity
37:10.5
without the HIMARS.
37:15.1
the BrahMos missiles,
37:17.2
But with the HIMARS,
37:23.0
within a few meters
37:24.2
so that will really
37:25.3
destroy the runway
37:26.4
in the Mischief Reef.
37:37.9
why we couldn't get
37:55.3
have those missiles,
38:02.8
because they can destroy us
38:05.0
we have no defense.
38:06.3
We cannot fight back.
38:07.4
But if we can destroy them
38:09.7
the HIMARS are mobile,
38:11.3
they cannot destroy
38:14.4
That's a very good point.
38:21.2
the missile defense systems
38:22.4
in the comprehensive
38:23.8
archipelagic defense
38:28.3
they match properly
38:32.4
what about Japan?
38:33.7
What do you want to see
38:38.4
will be a step too far?
38:41.7
the Japanese will be
38:45.0
the pacifist party,
38:47.7
within LDP coalition.
38:52.2
they don't have a problem.
38:53.7
rotational access
38:56.1
self-defense forces
38:58.3
or perhaps a bit,
39:00.0
a bridge too far?
39:03.8
the Japanese public
39:06.4
will accept that already.
39:09.4
that's being discussed
39:12.0
the Japanese government,
39:15.0
there will be no,
39:16.6
no strong opposition
39:18.1
from the Japanese public
39:20.1
considering what's happening now.
39:22.9
I think we will have
39:23.8
a visa enforcers agreement.
39:26.6
named differently
39:30.6
we have with the,
39:32.7
we should have one with
39:39.1
I think eventually
39:41.6
something like that
39:46.5
A fantastic five situation.
39:52.2
we will be able to
39:52.9
have leftist friends
39:54.6
here we go again.
39:56.8
we sold our house
39:57.9
to the foreign Afam.
40:01.3
We're just mad at China.
40:07.0
you cannot accuse them
40:08.6
of territorial ambition
40:12.3
territorial designs
40:13.6
on the Philippines.
40:14.3
Or maritime designs.
40:15.7
There's only one.
40:16.4
In the 21st century.
40:18.1
In the 21st century.
40:19.3
There's only one.
40:20.4
In the present century.
40:22.0
But there is only,
40:22.9
in the present century,
40:24.0
there is only one country
40:25.1
that wants our territory
40:26.3
and maritime zones.
40:31.9
China is doing it
40:33.3
because they are being bullied
40:34.0
by the American Empire.
40:36.0
They are surrounded
40:37.0
by American bases.
40:38.4
Isn't that how it is?
40:41.4
that's what they,
40:53.4
the century of humiliation.
40:58.1
exacting our events.
41:00.4
why are you exacting
41:01.6
your events on us?
41:04.9
of your territory.
41:07.7
alliance of Europeans
41:11.7
occupied Beijing,
41:14.3
in that Boxer Rebellion,
41:18.8
Western colonizers
41:21.2
more than 300 years.
41:24.7
We were as oppressed,
41:26.3
more oppressed than you.
41:28.6
take your events on us?
41:31.6
we never occupied
41:33.4
the single square inch
41:34.9
of your territory.
41:37.6
the narrative that
41:39.2
because they suffered
41:40.1
at the hands of the Europeans,
41:42.7
the South China Sea.
41:44.3
It doesn't compute.
41:46.8
the Atlantic Ocean.
41:49.6
the Russian do the same,
41:51.7
Because they were attacked
41:55.9
Frederick the Great
41:58.3
colonize Ukraine again.
41:59.6
that kind of nonsense
42:00.5
revanchist arguments.
42:04.9
probably have more to say
42:06.1
that because they were
42:07.0
attacked by the Soviet Union,
42:08.3
they have to reclaim their,
42:10.3
you can go down this road
42:11.7
of this ridiculous.
42:13.6
if you're at 100,
42:14.3
500 years of humiliation,
42:17.7
Including the humiliation
42:18.7
you're visiting on us
42:22.3
when we use the term bully,
42:24.8
immediately they keep on saying,
42:26.1
we're not a bully,
42:27.2
I think they're very scared
42:29.1
as an imperialist power
42:30.3
in their own right.
42:33.9
they're seeking hegemony
42:35.6
in the South China Sea
42:37.1
and they're the only one
42:38.6
that's still expanding.
42:41.4
they're the only one
42:42.1
who's still expanding
42:44.3
Along with Russia,
42:46.6
there are only two countries
42:47.9
now that are expanding
42:51.1
annexing the territory
42:52.2
of other countries,
42:53.7
Russia and China.
42:56.0
Baka may gentleman's agreement
42:57.8
din yung dalawa na yan.
43:01.3
baka Putin and Xi
43:02.3
has a gentleman agreement.
43:07.0
I think they have to get
43:09.7
of other countries
43:10.7
because if they can't
43:12.2
get the territories
43:13.1
of their other countries,
43:14.3
they will get their own
43:15.1
each other's territories.
43:16.8
Siberia is a big problem.
43:19.0
They will fight over Siberia.
43:24.4
banong nag-release
43:25.2
ng 10-line ang China,
43:28.7
na hindi natin minention
43:30.3
because dun sa 10-line,
43:33.5
territory in the North.
43:38.2
into Chinese names.
43:44.9
claims to be a Han nation
43:46.1
and yet they're claiming
43:47.2
what was conquered
43:49.5
Which are not considered as Han
43:50.6
but that's a long conversation.
43:52.4
going back to this,
43:53.2
what do you think
43:53.7
we should look at
43:56.3
the other important partners?
43:59.5
I don't want to use the word
44:00.6
baka mendikan tang labas.
44:03.4
What do you think
44:04.9
the French are offering submarines.
44:09.2
The Japanese have always
44:22.6
before they were not
44:32.6
I think we can get
44:37.9
telecommunications
44:44.6
advanced fighter jets
44:46.3
or those kinds of things
44:48.0
they just approved
44:50.6
next-generation fighters
44:52.8
those should be also
44:53.6
some of our targets
44:55.4
Na hindi lang tayo
44:58.9
they're developing
44:59.7
a sixth generation
45:16.1
they will give us
45:19.8
there's so much here
45:23.5
Justice Carpenter,
45:25.2
what do you think
45:29.6
Because this looks like
45:30.4
quite a dangerous
45:34.3
huge implications.
45:35.3
we just saw over the weekend
45:36.8
almost a huge war
45:38.4
in the Middle East.
45:45.2
in the Middle East,
45:45.9
conflicts in Ukraine?
45:47.5
the Middle East situation
45:48.4
is quite worrying
45:50.0
just over the weekend.
45:51.9
you're confident enough
45:52.8
that the United States
45:53.7
could still be a reliable
45:54.7
partner in this part
45:56.9
what should we do?
45:58.1
should we ask Americans
46:00.2
in resupply missions?
46:02.2
directly contribute
46:03.1
or should they just be
46:06.4
Should they provide
46:10.4
fortify it better
46:11.9
What are we looking at here,
46:13.1
Justice Carpenter?
46:13.8
What are the next steps
46:14.7
in Ayungin Shoal?
46:16.5
In Ayungin Shoal,
46:17.6
we should convert
46:19.8
our presence there
46:22.9
because the tribunal said
46:26.6
over your petition
46:31.1
that we order China
46:34.1
dangerous maneuvers
46:35.1
because these are
46:35.8
military activities
46:36.8
and that's outside
46:37.7
the jurisdiction.
46:39.3
we should convert
46:42.1
We put up a lighthouse
46:46.8
We put up a research center
46:48.4
by the UP Institute
46:49.6
of Marine Sciences
46:50.6
and we put up there
46:54.8
their two small vessels
46:56.1
so any armed attack
46:58.4
post guard vessels
47:04.5
Middle Defense City.
47:06.0
China will stop us
47:07.6
the construction materials
47:09.2
but then we can go
47:10.5
to the tribunal now
47:14.6
non-military activity
47:17.5
this marine research center
47:21.8
win another award
47:23.2
and the more awards
47:26.8
from the rest of the world.
47:32.0
our Navy is confident
47:33.5
that even if it's difficult
47:35.0
we can still supply
47:38.2
Continue the supply
47:39.5
and even if we are
47:42.8
we can still supply
47:44.0
the sympathy of the world
47:56.8
what kind of steps
47:57.6
the Navy will do.
47:58.6
Maybe they will send
48:01.8
that can withstand
48:02.7
these water cannons
48:08.7
non-military presence
48:19.5
up to a certain extent.
48:22.8
or something like that
48:24.0
is the way forward?
48:27.7
so that it will become
48:29.5
a civilian activity.
48:32.3
the technology for that?
48:33.5
Engineering technology
48:35.6
this is not even a rock.
48:38.2
this is a low tide elevation.
48:39.9
a reclamation there?
48:47.0
of President FDR.
48:50.8
to put up lighthouses
48:52.0
in all of these places
48:54.3
these are modular
48:59.0
the foreign secretary
49:06.0
and that foreign secretary
49:07.5
was planning to run
49:09.0
as Secretary General
49:15.5
I just have a slight issue
49:17.2
with your proposal.
49:19.3
where you're coming from,
49:21.9
the thing I say is
49:23.9
the US is very clear
49:25.2
that they will come
49:26.6
kung natak yung troops natin,
49:29.2
aircrafts and vessels.
49:30.7
this is our military.
49:32.4
So, kung tinanggal mo
49:33.2
yung military natin
49:34.0
sa ayong insolge,
49:38.9
to have more equivocation?
49:41.5
Because the US said
49:43.2
military that's going to have more
49:46.1
and they put this
49:47.2
including the Coast Guard.
49:49.3
So, public vessel,
49:50.6
not necessarily military.
49:50.9
That's why I said
49:51.5
let us put the Coast Guard
49:53.0
substation there.
49:55.2
I didn't hear the Coast Guard part.
49:57.5
Yes, Coast Guard, yes.
49:58.3
Let us put the Coast Guard
50:03.1
they'll have to attack
50:04.2
that Coast Guard vessel.
50:09.8
do you think the Americans
50:10.7
should be over the horizon
50:13.9
something like that?
50:15.3
we have to consider that
50:17.6
if we really cannot
50:19.2
resupply our troops.
50:21.6
As long as we can
50:22.7
resupply our troops,
50:25.2
we should continue
50:27.8
the sympathy of the world there.
50:31.5
the cost is too high
50:33.4
something stupid there.
50:35.4
than they have been doing.
50:36.6
I see what you're saying.
50:37.7
This is a very good discussion
50:39.3
Senator Trillianis,
50:46.7
I really appreciate
50:47.6
what you also said
50:49.8
I think this is a very,
50:51.2
very good proposal.
50:57.4
Kamusta si Kiboloy?
51:00.2
You're both from Davao,
51:03.1
I'm gonna bring out Kiboloy.
51:06.4
if you were in NBI
51:08.3
or PNP right now,
51:10.1
san kayo nakatago?
51:13.4
like hiding in plain sight?
51:15.6
Catch Me If You Can?
51:17.2
Leonardo DiCaprio?
51:19.2
is he out of the country?
51:20.4
Baka nasa China na siya?
51:22.2
Nasa Shenzhen na.
51:24.0
As far as I know,
51:25.2
I've asked around,
51:26.1
he's still in Davao.
51:28.6
he has two jet planes,
51:30.5
private jet planes.
51:32.6
but where will he go?
51:33.9
He'll probably go to China
51:37.6
if he goes to China,
51:38.6
he will be turned,
51:39.5
he will not be turned over.
51:42.6
Pero ano silbi niya sa China?
51:47.4
China is also practical, right?
51:49.0
if you're gonna take care of it,
51:50.4
you should take care of it.
51:51.3
What is he gonna do for China?
51:54.8
we have a hostage here.
51:56.1
We will give this to,
51:57.2
to the Philippines.
51:59.2
Mag-exchange program tayo mamaya.
52:01.6
May mamaya may mga na tayo dyan.
52:04.2
That's why I think he's still there
52:05.9
despite the fact na
52:08.3
to get out of the country
52:09.5
because he has two airplanes
52:10.9
and he has nowhere to go.
52:14.6
thank you Justice Garib
52:15.7
for giving us hope
52:16.5
na baka nasa Davao pa.
52:22.4
the whole self-appointed thing
52:23.9
with all the charter plane and all,
52:26.0
hindi siya makatago
52:27.3
sa simpleng lugar.
52:28.5
Alam natin yung mga ibang
52:30.9
tago sila sa small apartment,
52:38.1
Talaga kailangan niya
52:38.9
malamansyon talaga.
52:44.2
Anong psychological
52:45.3
understanding mo sa kanya?
52:48.0
he needs an entourage
52:51.0
kung lalo lang yun,
52:52.7
May magpapaypay sa kanya,
52:55.9
Tapos mag-egrape siya
52:57.5
Tapos kakain siya ng
52:58.4
grape niya ganun.
52:59.9
ang pagkaintindi ko sa
53:02.8
yung parang tago siya
53:04.5
mga Saddam Hussein,
53:08.1
Justice Garib nang sabi na,
53:15.2
lahat yung charter plane,
53:16.8
yung mga gwardiya niya.
53:19.7
he has to maintain
53:24.0
he is the son of God.
53:28.9
he will not allow himself
53:31.2
like an ordinary person.
53:36.9
tapos mapusasan siya,
53:38.6
hindi siya son of God.
53:39.7
He's gonna be like a,
53:40.9
he's gonna be fugitive,
53:43.7
he has to maintain his aura,
53:47.0
of that he is the son of God.
53:53.2
kung may mga update kayo dyan
53:54.4
sa mga Davao contact mo,
53:57.3
may Facebook live tayong gagawin.
54:01.1
on this kibuloy thing,
54:03.5
with Digong saying,
54:05.3
wag mo ako itamay,
54:06.6
ikaw na yung nasa listahan,
54:09.3
maybe Duterte may end up
54:17.0
at the end of the day,
54:18.4
Duterte is from Duterte.
54:20.3
He's willing to drop you
54:21.3
to protect his own skin.
54:23.0
that's the reading of everybody.
54:27.9
since he's the administrator
54:33.1
isn't it a conflict of interest
54:35.1
na it's in his interest na,
54:37.9
hindi kita kilala ako
54:39.0
na yung administrator, eh.
54:43.1
what was that whole
54:43.9
administrator position all about?
54:46.1
Does this mean he can control
54:47.2
all of the assets
54:52.6
I really don't know
54:53.9
how they structure
54:55.6
who owns the assets,
54:58.8
baka may mga corporations
55:01.1
We really don't know
55:02.2
because if it's a religion,
55:05.5
the theory is that
55:07.3
it's owned by the members,
55:12.8
he put it in his name.
55:15.2
So, hindi natin alam.
55:17.3
And what is your take
55:18.4
on yung sinasabi ni,
55:19.6
ang pangalan niya,
55:20.3
Robin Hood Padilla,
55:21.3
na this is a violation
55:22.9
of separation of church
55:24.2
and state principle.
55:25.3
This is unconstitutional.
55:27.2
about self-appointed.
55:30.4
if you commit a crime,
55:32.2
you are a priest,
55:33.4
you will be prosecuted.
55:36.5
You're not a bond.
55:40.5
That doesn't exempt you
55:41.9
from criminal laws.
55:43.9
That doesn't exempt a priest
55:45.0
from criminal laws.
55:47.4
but this is Robin Hood Padilla
55:48.7
so I'm not surprised.
55:49.8
But since Justice Carpio,
55:51.7
he's in charge of the
55:52.6
Committee on Constitutional Amendments,
55:54.7
I'm sorry, Justice Carpio,
55:55.9
I'm gonna defer to him
55:58.7
It's like he has higher
56:03.3
I have to give it to the guy.
56:06.2
kanina lang pa-uwi ako
56:09.3
sabi ni Robin Hood Padilla,
56:13.5
ang kailangan nag-explain.
56:15.0
BBM also have to explain.
56:16.9
He has to explain
56:18.1
ano yung ginagawa niya
56:19.2
sa West Philippine Sea.
56:20.1
Tapos sabay sinabi niya,
56:21.5
we should be unity,
56:22.9
we should not question him.
56:24.8
is he trying to do there?
56:29.5
does BBM have to explain
56:30.9
what is he doing?
56:32.9
has any explanation to do
56:35.9
And he's just following
56:36.8
what the Filipino people want
56:37.9
and what's our national interest.
56:41.4
I'm happy with what he's doing
56:42.7
because that's what
56:44.3
I've been saying all along.
56:45.9
I mean, you mean Marcos,
56:46.9
not Robin Hood Padilla,
56:48.1
just to be clear.
56:48.8
No, no, yeah, Marcos.
56:49.9
I'm happy with what he's doing.
56:50.7
Just in case, mga.
56:53.7
Yung kay Robin Padilla,
56:56.4
create a maritime militia.
57:00.6
the maritime militia.
57:04.3
Medyo mala action,
57:06.3
Thank you very much.
57:07.6
Bawal na yung milisya eh
57:09.4
the contribution has
57:10.4
We're winding down slowly
57:19.5
You can't create a new one.
57:22.2
And he's the chair of the
57:23.5
revision of Constitution
57:25.5
and the chair of the
57:27.6
Constitutional Committee.
57:32.1
this is, of course,
57:33.9
this is Robin Hood Padilla.
57:37.4
Sino yung mga magaling natin
57:38.8
mag-stream na community?
57:39.7
Is it the Bajau community?
57:42.9
Ano yung magaling mag-swim
57:44.3
na matagal sa tubig?
57:46.9
Baka may proposal sila daw
57:50.1
Sila yung mag-swim.
57:54.4
Walang nomad siyang China
57:56.1
pag Bajau ang kalaban mo.
57:59.0
Yeah, you throw that coin,
58:02.7
they will die for it.
58:05.2
pag Bajau ang kalaban
58:06.3
ng Chinese Coast Guard,
58:07.9
good luck sa China.
58:09.5
thank you very much
58:14.6
pakiping na lang ako
58:16.8
para may discussion tayo.
58:19.0
And thank you also
58:19.7
for giving us a heads up
58:20.7
dun sa 1% Ilocanos
58:22.3
who are still supporting Digong.
58:25.8
Pa-investigate din namin
58:28.6
Thank you so much
58:29.9
for bearing with us.
58:31.9
sinasabotage yata
58:32.8
yung internet ko dito.
58:33.9
May mga hindi natuwa.
58:36.1
But I hope we can
58:37.8
continue this conversation soon.
58:39.0
But I'm Salamat Justice.
58:40.4
Have a good evening po.
