00:30.2
Yung naman fifty, ten shades.
00:32.0
Kaya malara tayo eh, makulit tayo.
00:34.4
Ito na Sir Ronaldo.
00:36.5
Meron ng rally itong mga peace rally,
00:39.9
para sa bayan rally, protect the flag rally.
00:42.6
At ito, nag-speech ito si Harry Rock, yung paborito mo.
00:51.9
May duna tayo sa kanyang pag-iisip.
00:54.0
Pag-iisip, sabi niya.
01:04.9
Parang ngayon lang nag-rally si Ikwan eh, si Harry.
01:09.6
Parang hindi siya right to rally, diba?
01:12.2
Yung fake na fake eh.
01:14.1
Yan ang problema sa mga ganyan klase, peace rally, prayer rally.
01:17.9
Ang dami prayer rally, nawala yung prayer.
01:21.0
At saka nawala yung amon nila.
01:22.6
Peace rally, wala rin peace.
01:24.0
Dahil ang gusto, destabilization.
01:27.4
Mutiny, coup, withdrawal of support, secession.
01:30.2
So, medyo, Ikwan, medyo baguhin nila yung Ikwan.
01:33.2
Baguhin nila yung narati.
01:36.0
Dahil parang nagiging katawat-tawa na eh.
01:39.8
Parang yung rally nila sa Bulacan na hindi natuloy
01:41.9
dahil may humarang daw na sasakyan sa kalsada.
01:45.7
So, kung veterano ko sa rally, isang sasakyan na sa kalsada, titigil ka na?
01:50.3
Kasi sir, baka lima lang sila.
01:52.5
Yun nga, yun nga.
01:53.3
May humarang daw na sa sakyan sa kalsada.
01:54.0
At saka yung init.
01:54.7
At saka yung init.
01:56.3
Sino bang, kahit kami mga veterano sa rally,
01:59.0
hindi naman kami mapapatusta ng 50 degrees.
02:03.5
Medyo matindi-tindi ang labanan dyan.
02:07.8
So, okay, we can make fun of itong mga rally protests na BBM resigned,
02:14.5
tapos itong mga kacharotan ng ex-human rights lawyer na yan.
02:18.2
But, yung beshin mo, beshin mo si Senator Chilianes,
02:22.5
meron siyang ano kanina,
02:23.7
press conference, sabi niya,
02:25.8
eto na talaga, confirmado na sa loob ng PNP,
02:28.9
which was, of course, heavily politicized during Digong's time.
02:32.5
I mean, this was almost like his personal army.
02:35.2
Confirmado na na may mga attempts to recruit people for potentially,
02:39.9
you know, coup attempts or something like that.
02:42.5
Although, I don't, who ba rin bang tawak kahit police lang involved?
02:45.7
Di ba usually pag coup, military lang inisip mo?
02:47.8
But, okay, let's just say coup involves any security services, right?
02:51.3
Pero, kampante siya na pagdating sa AFP,
02:53.7
ang mga sumusul-sul lang dyan ay mga ex-generals,
02:57.9
at mukhang wala pa rin ng kumagat.
02:59.3
So, mas kampante siya sa AFP kaysa PNP.
03:02.4
Anong basa mo dito?
03:03.3
Why would he even come out and say these things?
03:06.1
Na alam naman natin, in the sense,
03:07.8
pero bakit sa winning public ngayon?
03:10.5
Well, una, nakikita na natin yung scaling up.
03:13.5
Dahil nga ang sabi, June or July, parating na yung ICC.
03:17.2
So, nakikita mo na yung scaling up.
03:18.8
Alam mo ba, itong kila Harry,
03:20.6
nagpa-plano sila ng maraming rally,
03:23.7
pero mukhang nagpa-plano sila ng maraming hearings,
03:27.6
pero mukhang lahat, dad,
03:31.0
or sa salita nga sa kalsada,
03:36.7
Parang hindi sumasabog yung mga pasabog nila.
03:40.7
Yung Pulboron, itong PIDEA list.
03:45.3
Itong mga rally sa Bulacan,
03:47.3
ngayon yung rally sa Senate.
03:49.1
Nag-scale up sila,
03:50.4
because they're running out of time.
03:52.0
Kung sakaling lalabas nga yung ICC,
03:55.1
eh kailangan they have to show massive people on the streets.
03:59.2
Dahil sinong military or police ang sasama sa kanila
04:02.4
kung walang tao sa kalsada?
04:04.7
So, nakikita mo, nag-scale up.
04:06.4
So, you're saying it's a show force to deter,
04:09.3
to scare, to intimidate?
04:12.1
Yes, to create triggers.
04:14.2
Pero yung triggers nila, parang kinakapos.
04:16.6
On the other side naman, nakita mo,
04:18.6
first time, nag-rally yung mga Marcos loyalists.
04:22.0
In support of the ICC.
04:24.9
In support dun sa investigation ni Digong.
04:29.5
In support dun sa Warren Tapares.
04:34.1
In support dun sa hulihin si Digong ng ICC.
04:37.5
First time yan, ha?
04:39.5
In the red t-shirt.
04:42.6
The red t-shirt, no?
04:44.1
Ibig sabihin, may scaling up din yung kabila.
04:46.3
And nagpakilala sila as Marcos loyalists.
04:50.7
Sir, sir, I'm sorry.
04:52.0
Sabay niyan yung statement ni Trillanes.
04:55.5
So, on both sides, may scaling up.
04:57.6
Yun ang naman sinasabi ko.
04:59.8
The mobilization.
05:01.3
Pero kanina, guest namin si Trillanes sa StoryCon,
05:04.4
hindi sumipot si Bato.
05:07.2
Siguro, ayaw niyang, hindi niya gusto yung host.
05:13.2
Pero si Harry bumatol.
05:16.6
Tapos dumating si Harry, cool lang sa pansin niyo.
05:19.4
Kailangan niya ng airtime.
05:22.0
Si ko naman, si Trillanes, sumipot.
05:24.9
So, tinanong namin siya.
05:26.6
Ayun nga, yung sinasabi mo kanina.
05:29.4
Senator, wala namang sumeseryoso sa polis pag may coup d'etat.
05:34.4
At ikaw, Senator, meron kang masteral at saka doctorate sa mga destabilization at saka coup.
05:42.7
Tatlong ko ba yan? Tatlong?
05:44.6
May chance ba ito, itong mga sinasabi mo mga polis?
05:47.4
Sabi naman niya, wala.
05:49.4
Dahil hindi nga sinaseryoso.
05:51.5
So, pag wala yung military.
05:53.4
Yung polis usually sa mga coup, destabilization, usually mga beat players lang yan eh.
06:00.2
Unless kasama yung SAP, yung Special Action Force.
06:03.6
Dahil meron niyang sariling mga tanke, APC, isang intact group yan eh.
06:09.7
Yung PNP kasi, paikot-ikot yan eh, pahiwa-hiwalay eh.
06:12.5
So, wala yung cohesion. Yung SAP meron.
06:15.4
Pero even SAP, won't be able to launch a coup on their own.
06:19.7
It's usually the military.
06:21.5
Usually, yung mga elites.
06:23.6
Yung SWAG, yung Marines nila Ariel Carubin, Scout Ranger nila Danny Lim, yung SWAG nila Celianes.
06:33.9
So, usually mga elite forces sa Navy, sa military, ang sumasama.
06:39.6
And then all the others ay nanonood.
06:42.3
At kung may chance of success, tsaka sila sasama.
06:45.1
Pero yung polis ay hindi sinaseryoso dyan.
06:47.6
Pero tingin ko, yung objective ni Sen. Totillanos,
06:51.5
ipakita na nagpapatuloy itong mga threats, nagpapatuloy itong mga plots.
06:57.7
At itong mga ito ay nag-scale up dahil palapit na yung ICC.
07:02.5
So, sa ganong klaseng narrative, lahat ito nagiging bahagi.
07:06.3
Yung pinag-uusapan natin ngayon.
07:08.9
Sir, by the way, thank you for that quite technical discussion in the sense na
07:14.0
within an institution of PNP, may mga ibang units na are more cohesive than others, particular staff.
07:20.5
And ito yung ginamit ng...
07:21.5
Yung presidenta mo, si Pinoy.
07:23.1
And unfortunately, of course, that was a disaster.
07:25.1
I'll be just honest about it.
07:26.9
One reason na marami na galit sa datang mong principal, the late President Aquino.
07:32.3
But going back to SAF, probably you know more about staff than us because you had to deal with all of that.
07:38.3
Now, going back to this, would you think that SAF was politicized after that Mamasapano crisis?
07:44.8
Kasi ang daming grievance and anger about how it was handled.
07:47.4
And I interviewed Mayor Magalong about this.
07:50.4
I took his side of things.
07:52.1
I know we are a little bit digressing, but I think this is still a relevant discussion.
07:56.3
I'm not too sure.
07:58.1
Dahil na-politicize yung military over decades.
08:01.8
Hindi siya na na-politicize because of one incident.
08:05.5
Na-politicize yung military since nung panahon ni Marcos.
08:09.2
Na nagkaroon sila ng role beyond their usual professionalism.
08:14.2
At nung nag-launch sila ng mga napakaraming coup against Corrie, labing isa,
08:20.4
11, you cannot bring back the genie inside the box.
08:25.8
So nagpatuloy na yan.
08:28.4
At yung corruption sa military, nakakreate ng several layers na naman.
08:34.1
Hindi lang organisasyon, kundi lang politicalization.
08:37.5
So it took some time.
08:39.6
Hindi ko alam kung yung SAF, because of the Mamasapano incident, can be politicized.
08:44.6
Because kanyan, mahaba ang gestation period dyan.
08:47.2
At saka, depende sa termination.
08:50.4
And over, baka yung mga ibang SAF na nandyan, baka wala na.
08:54.1
Tapos mga bago na yun nandyan.
08:56.0
Because it's almost 10 years na rin eh.
08:58.2
Diba? Almost 10 years.
08:59.5
So I doubt kung yung mga dating involved sa Mamasapano are still there.
09:04.2
I'm not too sure.
09:05.4
Again, I'm sorry. I know we are a bit too speculative here and I put you on the spot.
09:09.9
I just felt it's important to talk about this kasi maganda yung point mo eh.
09:13.1
You have to look within the PNP.
09:14.8
Kasi diba people have all these stereotypes of PNP and all of that with all due respect.
09:19.4
But people forget.
09:20.0
There are people like SAF na solid, very commando special forces types.
09:24.2
Now, you cannot underestimate.
09:26.6
What if, okay, you're right na the Mamasapano event alone may not have been enough of a trigger
09:33.1
or source of systematic politicization yung point mo, diba?
09:36.6
Pero yung six years ni Digong, hindi ba na-politicize yung PNP in terms of elections,
09:41.1
in terms of scandals, in terms of, I don't know, protection rockets, whatever was going on.
09:46.5
Or parang sabog lang yung situation?
09:48.9
Baka hindi masyado.
09:50.0
Dahil ang focus nila yung tokhang eh.
09:52.8
Yun ang focus nila eh.
09:54.1
There's nothing political about na nalangyay.
09:57.6
Walang ideological training.
09:59.9
Reform the Armed Forces Movement, yung RAM.
10:02.0
Meron sila mga seminars, no?
10:03.9
Meron sila mga agitation.
10:05.3
Meron sila mga meetings.
10:07.1
Meron sila mga...
10:08.5
Oo, meron pa sila mga rituals.
10:10.5
Ganun din yung YOU, Young Officers Union, no?
10:14.4
Soldiers of the Filipino People, SFP.
10:17.0
May mga kanyan eh, no?
10:21.1
Meron din sila mga ganyan.
10:22.4
So, wala akong nakikitang ganun ngayon sa military at saka sa PNP.
10:30.0
Usually, yan yung mga humaharness ng politicalization.
10:34.3
Itong mga organizations na ito.
10:36.3
May mga kompanya.
10:37.1
May mga senyali siya.
10:39.9
Hindi ako magugulat kung may mga tato.
10:42.0
Yung ako na rin eh.
10:43.1
Yung isang organization.
10:46.2
Wala akong namomonitor na ganun na nangyayari.
10:49.1
Within the military and the police at this point, no?
10:54.4
Tapos, wala ka rin nakikita ng mga leaders.
10:57.0
Mga talking heads.
10:58.1
Wala ka nakikita ng mga biber groups, no?
11:01.5
Pinag-uusapan yung problema ng bansa.
11:03.7
Pinag-uusapan yung problema.
11:05.1
Dati kasi namomonitor mo yan eh.
11:06.9
Lalo na ngayon sa panahon ng social media.
11:09.1
So, nakikita kang mga indicative signs eh.
11:13.5
That something is going on, no?
11:15.3
Ngayon, wala nakikita eh.
11:16.9
At yung mga bagay na yan,
11:18.5
hindi yan na itatago eh.
11:21.4
Lumalabas yan eh.
11:22.5
Sumisingaw yan eh.
11:25.5
So, why would Trillanes,
11:27.5
Senator Trillanes,
11:28.4
make a press conference?
11:29.9
Why would he go public about this?
11:31.7
I mean, these are the things we knew behind the scenes.
11:33.1
But, why would he go public about this
11:34.7
if this is not really a serious threat?
11:37.6
Minsan kasi, a failed coup, a failed mutiny,
11:40.4
can be as damaging as a successful one eh.
11:43.1
Lalo na sa investors.
11:44.5
So, pwede kasi ang kanyang message is
11:46.3
para sabihin sa kanya,
11:47.4
huwag niyo na ituloy.
11:48.1
Alam na namin kayo eh.
11:49.4
Alam na namin kung sino kayo.
11:51.5
So, it could be to discourage them
11:53.9
na gawin yung gagawin nila.
11:55.8
Dahil marami kasi dyan,
11:57.4
pinaprotektahan yung kanilang karir
11:59.2
at yung kanilang pensyon.
12:00.9
Sa rules kasi sa atin,
12:04.0
kahit ikaw ay retired na,
12:05.6
pwede ka pa makourt-martial.
12:07.4
At kung ikaw ay nakourt-martial,
12:09.0
pwede rin tanggalin yung iyong pensyon
12:10.8
na at this point, masyadong malaki.
12:13.1
Numaki yung pensyon ng mga sundalo eh.
12:15.3
Numaki yung pensyon ng mga military officers
12:17.1
tsaka mga police officers.
12:21.5
teka, alam na pala ako.
12:23.5
Will I risk my security?
12:28.4
Will I risk my pension
12:29.5
na mapupunta sa aking pamilya?
12:35.9
Brass tacks ay pakakabahan yung iba
12:38.7
na kasama sa pagpaplano.
12:41.5
yung hindi core group,
12:42.7
yung mga hinahatak nila to join,
12:44.7
hindi kasing committed yun eh.
12:47.3
Yung mas marami eh.
12:48.4
Baka hindi sumama yun
12:49.3
kung malalaman nila na buko na sila.
12:52.8
So, yun yung isang pwedeng masahin.
12:55.7
Kasi, Sir Ronald,
12:57.2
the way I look at it is,
12:59.4
I think all of us can agree na
13:00.8
malabo magkaroon ng any substantial coup
13:03.4
or something like that.
13:04.6
I'm quite confident about the rank and file,
13:07.6
not to mention the one on top.
13:09.0
Nevertheless, tama yung point mo eh.
13:12.2
baka ang strategy ng kabila is,
13:14.3
even though alam nila,
13:15.3
malabo na mag-succeed,
13:16.5
the coup attempt will be,
13:18.3
alam mo yung Chinese expression na,
13:19.6
I'm gonna kill the chicken to scare the monkey?
13:21.6
Yung something like that.
13:22.5
I'm not sure it's exactly applicable.
13:24.1
You get what I'm saying?
13:25.9
kunting fireworks,
13:27.1
baka matakot ito si Kuting,
13:28.4
ay sorry, itong si Marcos.
13:30.6
That's my point din na,
13:33.0
because they underestimate Marcos,
13:34.8
they think that all you need is just a attempt, right?
13:39.2
and that will be enough.
13:40.5
Now, what you're saying,
13:41.3
Trillianes is coming in and saying,
13:43.2
don't even try it,
13:44.4
you're already under the laser.
13:46.5
You're in your spotlight,
13:47.5
you make a little bit mess,
13:48.6
you're gonna lose everything.
13:50.2
It's not even worth it.
13:51.9
Even the fireworks,
13:53.2
it's not gonna work,
13:54.2
and you're gonna lose everything,
13:55.2
so don't do anything stupid.
13:56.7
So, I see what's happening here, yeah.
13:59.3
Yung isang tanong ko kay Trillianes kanina,
14:02.3
baka naman maging desperate sila,
14:04.6
dahil hindi posible ang impeachment,
14:06.9
hindi posible ang people power,
14:09.7
tapos hindi rin posible ang commutiny,
14:11.9
baka may gawin sila along the lines
14:14.1
ng sinabi ni Mayor Bastet.
14:16.5
The Romanov threat,
14:18.8
the Mussolini threat, no?
14:21.6
Sabi naman ni Sanim,
14:22.9
bukang nag-iingat naman yung...
14:26.2
Ano sila, Bolshevik?
14:27.5
Ano ba sila, Bolshevik ba sila?
14:29.2
Well, for lack of a better term,
14:32.4
Yeah, medyo crazy yan,
14:33.9
medyo crazy, crazy point yun.
14:35.7
Tapos kadikit, no,
14:36.3
tinanong ko rin siya,
14:37.6
tingin mo ba, Senator,
14:39.2
itong mga plots na ito
14:40.7
ay mayroong foreign support?
14:42.7
Eh, very clear naman yung sagot niya,
14:47.8
Hindi lang niya binanggit ko sino,
14:49.3
pero alam naman na lahat
14:50.7
kung ano yung nare-refer niya.
14:54.5
Sana tinanong na lang niya,
14:55.9
Sir, ano po yung currency?
14:59.7
Hindi ito euro, no?
15:02.6
Hindi ito dollar.
15:06.0
Doon, doon, magkakaalaman na,
15:07.7
di ba, kung luto maka-auto or hindi.
15:09.7
I think that perfectly sets the tone
15:11.4
for our next episode
15:12.3
kasi I want to talk also about,
15:13.9
oy, hindi ko sinasabi naman kinalaman,
15:15.6
pero pag-usapan natin ng China
15:17.7
at saka Philippines at West Philippines.
15:19.5
Oo, hindi nga, ibang topic yan.
15:21.0
Oo, ibang, totally,
15:22.2
totally unrelated.
15:24.3
Kahit dotted lines, wala yan.
15:25.8
Random yan, random topics.
15:28.1
Random in the air.
15:29.4
Maraming salamat, Sir Ronald.
15:31.0
Parang ganda ng discussion natin talaga.
15:33.2
Ay, PhD ka rin pala in CUDETA, eh.
15:35.5
Kala mo si Trillian.
15:36.8
Wala ko, observer.
15:38.1
Observer lang ako.
15:39.6
Kaya talaga naging political affairs,
15:41.3
ano, secretary ka talaga ni Aquino.
15:43.8
Alam na alam mo yung mga internal,
15:45.6
alam na eh, yung mga pakulo,
15:48.2
Thank you very much.
