00:19.9
Kasama po natin ulit si former Associate Justice Carpy
00:23.9
and of course, my colleague also,
00:25.7
fellow columnist at the Philippine Daily Inquirer.
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Salamat, Justice, for joining us again.
00:31.9
Good evening, Richard.
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Good evening to our viewers.
00:38.0
Akala pa natin last week,
00:39.4
things were already crazy.
00:41.9
Obviously, I want to talk to you about
00:43.5
itong proposal to expel the Chinese embassy folks.
00:48.4
I mean, potentially all the way to the ambassador
00:50.7
and what could be the implications.
00:52.8
Gusto ko rin pag-usapan ng kunting squad.
00:54.6
Itong bagong squad ng...
00:55.9
Kung baka may Justice League na rin.
00:57.9
Medyo ginagaya na tayo, Justice Carpio.
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Meron ng squad goals.
01:02.3
Australia, Philippines, US, Japan.
01:04.5
In the context of, of course, also,
01:06.3
balikan tayong West Philippines and East Philippines.
01:07.6
Pero bago tayo bumunta dyan, Justice Carpio,
01:10.2
meron na tayong bagong, ano,
01:12.1
domestic politics muna tayo ng konti
01:14.1
with, of course, an international dimension.
01:17.4
what is your reading of this whole
01:19.1
ICC discussions right now?
01:21.3
So, not only Senator Trillianes,
01:23.4
but a number of other legal experts,
01:26.4
including those directly involved,
01:27.9
involved in the ICC procedures.
01:30.6
Alam ko may confidentiality niyan.
01:32.4
But what they couldn't deny is,
01:34.5
based dun sa timetable na ICC,
01:38.3
magkakaroon na itong,
01:39.4
well, looks like it, warrants of arrest na.
01:42.4
First of all, what is your read on this ICC issue
01:44.3
before we talk about yung mga coup plots
01:45.8
na pinag-usapan ni Senator Trillianes?
01:48.6
Well, there appears to be
01:51.9
a lot of movement
01:54.7
because it was officially reported
01:57.7
that there was a lot of movement
01:57.9
that the ICC has been
02:02.1
recruiting translators
02:07.2
from Cebuano to English.
02:08.4
Bisaya, yeah, oh.
02:11.0
they're preparing for a trial
02:13.4
at the moment you,
02:15.3
because for the witnesses,
02:17.2
they need translators
02:18.3
because the witnesses might be
02:20.5
more familiar with Tagalog or Cebuano.
02:24.2
So they're precisely looking for
02:27.9
that's a big giveaway
02:28.8
that there could be a trial soon.
02:33.1
And soon you're understanding
02:34.5
from the timetable,
02:35.8
kasi may mga deadline timetable din yan is,
02:38.3
siguro within the next three to six months,
02:41.0
to have an educated guess on this.
02:43.4
In short, before midterm elections,
02:44.8
I want to be very particular.
02:46.2
Before midterm elections, right?
02:47.9
Yeah, I think within the year.
02:49.6
Yeah, yeah, within the year, yeah.
02:51.5
I mean, imagine kung magkasabay ba yun
02:53.5
sa election sa October na, ano,
02:55.7
filing of candidates.
02:59.3
I want to also ask you,
03:02.4
I asked J.J. Batumbacal,
03:04.0
our good friend the other day,
03:07.2
na mag-cooperate si BBM sa ICC
03:09.8
sa konteksto ng West Philippine City disputes?
03:12.6
Because if you want the world to be on our side
03:14.7
when it comes to rule of law,
03:16.1
rules-based international order,
03:18.3
don't you want to also show that
03:20.2
you have rule of law at home
03:21.4
and you're gonna cooperate
03:22.5
with international bodies?
03:23.5
Kasi parang weird, ne.
03:25.5
pero gusto mo sa arbitration,
03:26.9
tribunal at UNCLOS,
03:28.2
hindi pa hindi yan.
03:29.6
You cannot pick and choose.
03:30.5
You have to show consistency of conviction.
03:34.2
Yes, to a certain extent
03:39.7
they actually are the originators of the ICC.
03:43.8
They're fully in support.
03:45.2
They're actually financing the ICC.
03:48.6
But the US, of course,
03:51.4
It is not ratified.
03:56.9
would like to see us
03:58.0
rejoin or at least cooperate.
04:04.9
the Supreme Court ruled.
04:06.5
There is a ruling of the Supreme Court
04:08.4
in the case filed by,
04:10.8
I think it was Pimentel.
04:16.1
I can't remember.
04:17.0
The Supreme Court said,
04:19.7
whether the withdrawal by President Duterte
04:22.1
was effective or not.
04:23.7
The Supreme Court said,
04:26.9
there is a one-year period
04:30.7
they could continue
04:35.1
with the prosecution.
04:35.7
Jurisdiction nila.
04:36.8
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:38.6
while we were a party.
04:43.7
and then the Supreme Court said there
04:45.2
that we are obligated to cooperate.
04:48.1
And it was a unanimous decision.
04:50.7
We are obligated to cooperate.
04:53.6
that this is just
04:54.4
an obiter dictum.
04:57.3
it's just an aside.
04:58.3
But I don't think so
04:59.4
because that goes into
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the very question
05:02.7
the withdrawal was effective.
05:05.2
So, if you're talking of
05:06.3
effectivity of withdrawal,
05:08.2
so you have to look at
05:09.5
the residual issue
05:13.4
a phase-out period
05:14.9
because that's part of the withdrawal.
05:17.4
Residual jurisdiction
05:18.5
in that case, no?
05:20.2
Although, if I'm not mistaken,
05:22.0
the former chief prosecutor,
05:24.9
I'm not sure about Karim Khan,
05:26.0
but the previous,
05:26.4
the previous one,
05:28.2
that even if you're not
05:31.8
if you have committed
05:33.5
crimes against humanity
05:34.9
or mass atrocities,
05:36.8
you can still enter.
05:37.8
I mean, for instance,
05:40.4
Russia never joined ICC
05:41.8
last time I checked,
05:42.5
just like the US.
05:43.5
But they issued the warrant
05:44.6
of arrest against Putin
05:47.5
Only because the crime
05:49.0
was allegedly committed
05:59.5
or a communication
06:01.9
that while they are not
06:03.4
they are not ratifying,
06:10.4
to have jurisdiction
06:12.7
committed within their territory.
06:20.0
issued the warrant of arrest
06:24.8
I'm glad that you mentioned
06:29.0
obviously didn't raise
06:31.4
when Putin got the warrant
06:33.6
But now there are news
06:35.2
or some top Israeli officials
06:36.9
may face something similar
06:39.7
US senators openly
06:43.8
behind the scenes,
06:44.4
there's pressure being put
06:47.8
it's not only that the US
06:49.0
is not part of the Rome Statute.
06:53.3
if not the US government,
06:55.1
or trying to frustrate
06:56.1
when it doesn't go
06:57.1
in its own favor.
07:00.0
the favorite of America.
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they'll have an issue.
07:03.2
That's interesting.
07:05.3
US will mind at all
07:06.8
if ICC goes after Duterte
07:09.7
they didn't mind at all
07:10.9
when it went after Putin.
07:14.7
issued any statement
07:18.2
probable issuance
07:20.7
of a warrant of arrest
07:26.8
But if you recall,
07:28.3
the ICC prosecutor
07:30.8
before the present one,
07:47.2
This Afghanistan,
07:49.4
violations by US servicemen.
07:55.1
the US in this...
07:58.5
or moral ascendancy
08:00.5
To put it nicely,
08:02.4
from the literature,
08:03.1
the Bush administration
08:04.0
was very aggressively
08:06.8
and the Rome Statute.
08:08.4
for Somalia in 2011
08:09.8
despite being a US ally,
08:11.0
but by that time,
08:12.5
I don't want to go
08:12.9
too much into the ICC.
08:13.9
I only wanted to emphasize
08:22.2
of a rule of law,
08:23.8
if you want to be,
08:26.4
at the receiving end
08:27.4
of international legal
08:28.8
instruments support
08:30.4
on the West Philippines issue,
08:33.4
to a certain degree,
08:34.7
that you're a country
08:36.9
From my understanding,
08:39.8
and I interviewed
08:40.6
the German ambassador
08:44.7
Chancellor Scholz
08:46.5
among other European leaders
08:55.9
fellow democracies,
08:57.4
that's what I also understand.
08:58.5
It's our European friends
08:59.7
putting some good
09:02.1
if I can put it that way.
09:04.5
I go by the decision
09:06.0
of the Supreme Court
09:06.9
that we have to cooperate
09:10.7
no longer a member
09:11.5
because of that provision
09:13.1
for crimes committed
09:15.7
while you were a party,
09:19.8
will still have jurisdiction
09:21.1
and we have still
09:22.8
a duty to cooperate
09:30.6
And that's my position.
09:32.6
Because that's the
09:34.1
of the Supreme Court.
09:36.9
And by that time,
09:37.6
you were no longer
09:38.1
in the Supreme Court,
09:40.4
Yeah, I was no longer
09:41.0
in the Supreme Court.
09:42.2
Si Leonen na ata yung isa sa mga
09:43.6
Yeah, Leonen was the
09:45.7
It was a unanimous decision.
09:52.0
but just another question.
09:53.8
Sorry, I'm curious lang ako.
09:56.2
Bakit silent yung ating
09:57.8
constitution dun sa
09:58.7
exit from treaties
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I mean, I find this
10:02.9
Shouldn't that have been
10:03.7
anticipated by anyone?
10:05.8
Don't other countries
10:07.7
Similar democracies?
10:08.9
Na concurrence dapat
10:13.0
well, it follows that
10:21.4
That in other words,
10:25.2
But in this case,
10:26.1
there was no ratification
10:27.8
because the Supreme Court
10:32.1
I mean, I don't agree
10:35.6
Honestly, Justice,
10:36.5
thank you for pointing that out.
10:49.3
it's not ratified.
10:54.7
wants to withdraw,
10:58.9
doesn't do anything,
11:02.5
of the withdrawal.
11:07.3
of the Constitution.
11:09.1
Thank you, Justice,
11:10.3
I wanted to hear that
11:13.4
who am I to disagree
11:14.6
with the Supreme Court?
11:15.4
But I found that thing
11:16.2
a bit queasy, right?
11:20.3
I want to ask about this.
11:24.4
the Supreme Court said.
11:25.5
Because in this case,
11:29.5
then it is deemed
11:31.6
to have approved it
11:33.8
But that's not the way
11:34.9
the Constitution is worded.
11:45.9
Unless the Constitution
11:47.6
that if the president
11:58.4
if the Constitution
11:59.1
requires consent,
12:03.3
Consent to approve
12:15.0
I just find it weird.
12:16.0
what is your indicator
12:18.2
protest in the Senate,
12:20.9
Duterte was popular
12:25.8
constitutional expert
12:27.9
non-constitutional expert,
12:28.9
I found the thing
12:31.8
But this is important
12:39.7
warrants of arrest
12:40.4
but the other thing
12:43.5
from what I understand,
12:44.6
about us rejoining
12:47.4
if the Constitution
12:49.5
on the exit part,
12:52.3
Supreme Court ruling,
12:54.6
of the Supreme Court,
12:55.4
then rejoining that
12:58.7
executive decision
12:59.7
or dapat dadaan ulit
13:01.7
The reason I'm saying
13:02.2
dadaan ulit sa Senado
13:04.2
I know that's your stance
13:09.0
may Robin Hood Padilla.
13:12.9
it's asymmetrical.
13:15.0
you gave a free pass
13:17.7
you're giving the
13:19.5
pro-Duterte people,
13:21.4
I find that problematic.
13:25.2
we have to do it right,
13:28.1
regardless of the
13:29.5
composition in the Senate,
13:33.5
the President must
13:42.9
The concurrence is what?
13:47.3
I think just about.
13:49.5
Yeah, just about.
13:50.0
Yeah, just about.
13:51.7
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:53.1
The numbers will be there.
13:54.4
And if this is after
13:57.5
Mukhang bati si Aimee Marcos
13:58.7
delikado baka hindi makapasok
14:01.1
I'm looking at the surveys,
14:02.3
it's very competitive.
14:05.3
Baka bato lang at bongo.
14:06.9
Yeah, baka bato bongo lang
14:08.2
makapasok from the DDS camp,
14:09.7
and let's see about
14:10.3
the other Dutertes
14:12.0
Now, let's transition now,
14:17.1
one of the persons
14:22.0
complete opposition,
14:24.7
I just want to ask you,
14:26.6
because, you know,
14:27.1
you're not just a former
14:28.4
top-level jurist.
14:33.2
the Supreme Court.
14:34.7
a democracy advocate,
14:36.7
You are a believer
14:37.8
in the ETSA project,
14:39.0
from my understanding,
14:40.5
or at least the promise
14:41.5
of the ETSA project.
14:43.7
about certain people
14:44.8
who are presidential
14:45.7
spokesmen of Duterte
14:47.7
ex-human rights lawyer,
14:49.4
supporting the UNITEAM,
14:50.9
during the SMNI debate,
14:53.1
call that a debate,
14:54.4
wala siyang nahanap na
14:55.4
ebidensya na may maling
14:57.2
in a sense by saying,
14:58.8
wala daw kaso sa korte,
15:00.2
wala daw Supreme Court.
15:03.4
invoking people power,
15:06.1
yung mga talking about
15:07.5
Marcos' court cases
15:11.0
and interestingly,
15:11.6
I heard this also
15:12.3
from my friends in China,
15:14.9
the reason naging matapang
15:19.0
baka yung mga Amerikano
15:20.9
on issues that UNI...
15:24.3
At sa inabin niya,
15:26.4
balentong ba yung term
15:33.0
What's going on here,
15:42.4
the Duterte cabinet,
15:45.8
Duterte was a serial
15:54.5
became the spokesperson
15:56.2
during the cabinet.
16:04.7
just take note of that.
16:07.2
Okay, okay, okay.
16:08.5
Well, speaking of vintage,
16:12.2
what is your read
16:16.0
and nanggugulo yan.
16:18.6
from your understanding
16:19.4
of vintage Duterte,
16:20.6
do you think he will be,
16:26.9
Sir Trillian has opened
16:27.9
a song about coup attempts,
16:29.8
Ikaw, what is your
16:30.4
understanding of vintage
16:32.9
You dealt with him a lot
16:35.3
and friendliest terms,
16:40.6
who are in government
16:45.1
President Marcos Jr.
16:50.2
to become president.
16:53.1
former President Duterte
16:56.1
himself has been saying,
16:57.5
has been repeating
16:58.2
that the incumbent president
17:03.6
he keeps on repeating that.
17:05.7
That the incumbent president
17:07.6
is a drug addict.
17:10.5
that's the worst thing
17:11.9
against a sitting president.
17:22.2
irreconcilable already.
17:26.2
the point of no return
17:27.3
has long been reached.
17:29.0
As we say in Locana,
17:40.4
papuntan na tayo sa China,
17:42.0
your favorite country
17:43.0
and embassy in Manila.
17:49.3
I was a bit impressed.
17:53.1
napanood nila kami
17:56.3
dapat matapang si BBM,
17:57.7
dapat babardagulan niya
17:58.9
yung mga marites na yan.
18:01.4
tinanong siya sa Jensen,
18:06.8
Jukeboxan yan eh.
18:08.4
Parang jukebox king yan.
18:09.7
Dalagay mo ng coins.
18:14.9
I never saw BBM like that,
18:16.5
yung talagang bardagulan.
18:18.0
Professional liar yan eh.
18:20.4
sinintya bill yan.
18:23.5
BBM is stepping up also?
18:26.2
ang tawag sa kanya ni Marlica,
18:27.7
yung magaling na vlogger,
18:35.3
Medyo baby tiger na,
18:40.3
he has to respond
18:41.5
because his thoughts
18:46.3
Yung puulit-pulit.
18:53.6
he's not a Teflon guy, no?
19:01.1
he has to fight back.
19:03.3
His numbers went down
19:05.2
just the other quarter.
19:07.0
huwag siya mag-feeling Duterte
19:08.2
na he can get away with it.
19:11.1
the president fighting back.
19:12.2
And you have to draw the line,
19:15.4
Kawawa pa si Maricel
19:17.3
dinamay pa nila doon.
19:19.4
sumikat lalo si Maricel ngayon.
19:21.5
Gen Z na hindi nila kilala.
19:24.0
Napaka-galing to, ah.
19:26.6
si Bato De La Rosa,
19:28.0
hindi gagano yung career niya.
19:29.2
Gusto niya maging
19:31.8
na ganitong araw,
19:35.6
nang binugbog mo yung dalawang,
19:37.5
parang ka sila magbogin,
19:42.4
Wala na ang career ni Bato.
19:43.9
Tapos na yung showbiz career niya.
19:47.0
let's go to this.
19:51.3
Chinese ambassador,
19:52.4
eto na yung level of discussion ngayon.
19:56.6
the reason I'm saying
19:57.7
it's that bad is,
19:59.9
what's going on with this
20:01.2
Mayor Goh situation in Tarlac?
20:03.7
Biglang napakita nung 2022,
20:05.8
naging mayor bigla.
20:07.5
Hindi namin mahanap yung kanyang
20:08.8
birth certificate,
20:11.3
Hindi namin alam kung sinong tatay niya.
20:13.4
Nag-homeschooling daw siya
20:15.3
buong buhay niya.
20:16.3
Wala rin ebidensya.
20:17.6
Nothing suspicious here.
20:19.5
Oh, and by the way,
20:21.3
Tarlac town na yan
20:22.5
sa Clark Air Base, right?
20:25.8
nothing suspicious here, right?
20:30.1
it's very easy to
20:32.3
dig into her past
20:39.2
who were her friends
20:41.1
when she was growing up
20:42.3
because she was growing up
20:43.8
in that town, no?
20:48.7
she has to present people
20:52.4
in her teens, no?
20:57.0
So, she just popped up.
20:59.1
So, very strange, I think.
21:00.7
But we have to get into the facts.
21:03.1
We have to gather more facts.
21:05.9
it's just insane,
21:08.9
Bigla na nang lumitaw,
21:12.0
this is like worse than
21:14.2
I mean, you can just become
21:15.0
a mayor in another country.
21:16.4
Again, of course,
21:17.0
we are very careful
21:17.6
not to get into prejudice
21:21.2
when people try to make
21:22.4
xenophobic comments.
21:23.3
But, at the same time,
21:24.7
pwede mang-mang lang
21:25.7
na ini-infiltrate tayo
21:27.7
assuming this is a case
21:30.9
Speaking of which,
21:32.4
there's an open accusation
21:33.6
by our top officials,
21:39.2
embassy ng China dito
21:41.1
ay involved na talaga
21:43.3
for the lack of better term,
21:44.3
what the Soviet Union
21:45.3
used to do in Europe
21:46.4
during the Cold War period.
21:48.7
influence operations,
21:50.0
disinformation campaign,
21:51.7
my accusations of
21:52.5
deep fake audios,
21:55.6
this is like Cold War.
21:56.8
This is like Berlin.
21:57.9
what's going on here?
22:00.0
I think you have to
22:00.9
go back to the time of
22:02.4
former President Duterte
22:04.8
where they were very loose
22:09.1
the Chinese ambassador
22:10.5
could visit the president
22:11.9
anytime in Davao.
22:14.5
And the president
22:20.1
where he's staying.
22:21.5
And it was just like
22:23.7
they were good friends.
22:30.6
there was this breakdown
22:38.4
Because the other
22:39.0
embassies maintained
22:42.2
whenever they want
22:43.0
to talk to the president,
22:44.5
course it through
22:46.8
But the Chinese ambassador
22:54.1
some embassy officials
22:55.9
when they talk to
22:57.0
our military people.
22:59.7
they could just text
23:01.4
our AFP chief of staff
23:04.0
or the army chief,
23:07.8
it's very strange.
23:09.5
in other countries.
23:12.4
the Chinese embassy people
23:15.4
would just go to Westcom
23:19.3
Without coursing it
23:20.4
through the proper channels.
23:21.7
So, I think it started
23:23.2
because of that culture
23:24.4
during the time of
23:25.5
So, you're saying
23:26.6
trickle-down recklessness
23:28.0
from a national security...
23:29.7
I mean, that's the best term
23:31.1
This is trickle-down,
23:33.1
cluster mess, right?
23:34.7
I mean, let's not forget also
23:36.2
Chinese airplanes
23:41.6
anyone knowing in AF...
23:43.1
I mean, that was crazy, right?
23:45.1
banana republic ito.
23:46.1
But, Justice Garby,
23:49.1
Just one more point.
23:51.6
And this is a lesson
23:53.1
to all government officials.
23:55.1
They should never
23:57.3
Chinese embassy officials
23:58.7
because they can easily
24:00.9
They could dictate.
24:02.6
They should never talk.
24:03.5
They should refer
24:04.8
the Chinese embassy people
24:14.4
they should never
24:18.8
These Chinese embassy officials
24:20.0
when these Chinese embassy officials
24:21.7
appear in their offices.
24:24.3
we are very friendly people.
24:26.5
if the ambassador
24:29.3
you would entertain.
24:30.9
they have to think twice
24:32.3
because of this incident.
24:35.1
Because of this incident,
24:36.6
you should be on guard now.
24:40.5
I vehemently disagree with you
24:42.1
because an ambassador
24:43.4
is allowed to talk
24:44.4
to a provincial governor.
24:46.1
Last time I checked,
24:56.0
on sovereign rights
24:57.8
with the governor.
25:01.6
if I'm a governor,
25:05.6
welcome to the province
25:16.4
the resupply mission
25:17.3
will be one-to-one,
25:18.7
One Coast Guard vessel
25:19.7
from the Philippines,
25:23.5
and you only bring
25:25.8
no construction materials.
25:27.0
That's a different thing.
25:28.5
being courteous anymore.
25:30.3
Those are substantive matters
25:33.1
sovereign rights.
25:39.8
without the DFA people around.
25:47.3
foreign minister,
25:49.7
you will be courteous
25:52.5
if you're a government official.
25:54.8
But you never discuss
25:58.5
sovereign rights,
26:00.5
and make an agreement.
26:02.9
I want to ask on this
26:04.9
I was talking also
26:08.6
may protocols yan?
26:09.8
if you deal with a country
26:12.2
for the lack of better terms,
26:13.5
sinasakop yung bansa mo,
26:16.5
intelligence officials
26:21.7
para wala nang kompromat,
26:23.1
Wala nang blackmailing.
26:24.6
This one looks like
26:27.7
probably these guys
26:28.3
have a lot of kompromat
26:29.3
we don't know about.
26:32.4
this is really a warning
26:34.3
all government officials,
26:35.8
including military officials.
26:38.9
They should just refrain
26:41.7
Chinese embassy officials
26:43.1
without the presence
26:44.4
of DFA people, na?
26:46.1
And intelligence officials,
26:47.5
who should know protocol.
26:52.8
probably this should also
26:53.6
apply to people like us, right?
26:55.4
even if you're not government,
26:56.6
if you're quite a thought leader
26:58.3
or media professional,
27:00.0
mamaya may sasabing
27:01.8
tapos they'll take it
27:02.4
out of context, di ba?
27:03.4
It's okay with me
27:07.0
that I can make an agreement
27:08.2
on behalf of the Philippines.
27:10.3
Baka may audio sila
27:14.7
Gagamit ng blackmail yan, di ba?
27:16.5
They will be laughed at
27:18.4
we committed the government.
27:22.3
we cannot commit the government.
27:24.3
we're not government officials now.
27:28.6
just to end on this part
27:30.8
before we go more
27:31.5
into the West Philippines issue,
27:33.2
itong squad and Balikatan.
27:34.7
I want to get also
27:35.2
your view on that
27:35.9
before we end this episode.
27:39.3
Nakakabahala ba ito?
27:41.2
some of their top-level officials,
27:43.0
magre-retaliate din sila
27:45.8
communication channels.
27:49.3
were just for friends,
27:50.6
it's not diplomacy, right?
27:51.8
It's happy times.
27:52.9
You need diplomacy
27:56.6
counterparts, right?
27:58.1
aren't you worried
27:58.8
about the diplomatic channels
28:00.8
at the rate things are going?
28:02.0
Although, of course,
28:02.7
I squarely blame China
28:06.2
scared to talk to them.
28:07.6
ire-record ka nila
28:08.5
tapos anong gagawin nila diyan?
28:11.7
that's to be expected.
28:13.7
We have a valid ground
28:16.7
whoever this Chinese guy is.
28:21.6
And that's accepted.
28:23.2
But it will end there.
28:24.5
This has happened
28:29.8
I wanted to say Russia.
28:31.1
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:32.4
They expel each other
28:35.4
that their counterpart
28:36.8
will be expelled also.
28:38.4
And that's the end of it.
28:41.8
even the ambassador,
28:43.7
this might go all the way
28:44.5
to the ambassador, right?
28:46.2
how do you compare
28:49.8
the former ambassador,
28:50.6
seemed to be far more
28:54.6
meron siyang advantage
28:55.3
na dealing with Duterte.
28:57.1
even during Aquino's time.
29:01.4
baka may problema din
29:02.3
ang ambassador dito,
29:04.9
Aside from the whole
29:07.8
I don't know him personally,
29:09.1
but I don't think
29:10.8
we should go to that level
29:12.6
expelling the ambassador.
29:14.7
There are many people
29:17.0
that we can expel.
29:17.9
And if you do that,
29:20.5
escalate anymore.
29:24.1
the ambassador himself,
29:25.3
that's a serious action.
29:29.3
yung mga ano na lang niya,
29:31.0
Harry Roken niya,
29:31.9
yung mga ano na lang niya,
29:33.8
mga spokesman niya,
29:34.9
yung mga ganun niya.
29:37.2
or the political council
29:39.7
something like that.
29:41.5
Or, I don't know,
29:43.1
or something like that
29:43.7
at highest, probably.
29:44.8
Now, going back to this,
29:46.6
what is your read
29:47.7
naman of the Philippines
29:48.7
and the whole squad thing?
29:51.1
squad with Australia,
29:53.8
is it for the gram?
29:57.1
there's something more
30:00.4
becoming a, what,
30:01.9
in the West Philippine City?
30:05.3
if you compare it
30:14.9
Here in the squad,
30:17.7
treaty with the US.
30:31.2
the South China Sea
30:42.9
with India is that,
30:43.9
there's a lot of tension
30:44.6
and disappointment
30:46.5
the Indians are very clear
30:47.7
this is all about
30:48.6
their own great power
30:52.6
some Munich Secure Conference
30:53.9
the quad panel there,
30:55.9
is this the Asian NATO?
30:57.2
Obviously, it's not.
30:58.3
just to provoke discussion,
31:00.5
they're very outspoken
31:01.8
foreign minister.
31:03.4
dapat ganun sana si Harry Roque,
31:04.7
yung parang Jai Shankar
31:06.8
He went out and said,
31:07.7
no, we are here just,
31:09.0
essentially saying
31:09.8
alliance of convenience ito.
31:11.9
a treaty alliance.
31:13.2
We work where it serves us.
31:20.4
kasi may border disputes
31:21.8
and they don't want to get
31:22.4
into fight with China
31:24.1
kasi may mga concerns
31:25.9
So, the Philippines,
31:27.5
although mas maliit sa India
31:29.7
it looks like a much more
31:31.7
hindi lang treaty ally
31:32.5
pero in terms of values,
31:34.3
China position, right?
31:35.7
So, this looks like
31:38.1
for dealing with China
31:40.3
natural people say,
31:41.1
what about South Korea?
31:43.4
what about North Korea?
31:44.6
Ang laki ng problema
31:47.2
Kaya, at least the Philippines,
31:48.7
kahit mas mahina tayo
31:49.5
sa India and Korea,
31:52.1
we can be very helpful
31:53.2
and speaking of which,
31:55.7
these Balikatan exercises?
31:57.2
We had an exercise
31:58.4
where we essentially
32:01.9
taking over Batanes
32:03.6
or something like that
32:04.3
and taking it back.
32:06.2
the Philippines is leveraging
32:07.3
its geography, right?
32:08.5
And we're really preparing
32:09.5
for a Taiwan contingency.
32:13.2
we also have to show
32:16.5
We are not defenseless.
32:18.2
We're not alone, yeah.
32:21.2
wherever the Americans
32:24.6
and it's a message
32:27.7
that the missiles
32:29.2
from the Philippines
32:29.9
could reach them.
32:32.5
I think it's a matter
32:37.4
we have our BrahMos
32:47.2
the Chinese mainland.
32:54.4
it's a powerful signal.
32:56.4
And what do you think
32:58.1
high Mars exercises,
33:02.5
there were also exercises
33:03.3
in South China Sea.
33:04.0
And for the first time,
33:05.3
there were drills
33:06.1
outside the 12 nautical miles
33:13.1
start their negotiations
33:14.2
over a reciprocal
33:15.0
access agreement.
33:16.2
How do you think?
33:16.7
those exercises going?
33:18.0
How important are they?
33:29.1
exclusive economic
33:30.5
in the West Philippine Sea,
33:34.6
the arbitral award,
33:36.6
exclusive economic
33:37.4
zone of the Philippines.
33:39.8
freedom of navigation
33:40.9
including naval drills.
33:42.5
And that's exactly
33:43.2
what we're doing.
33:44.9
they are enforcing
33:45.9
the arbitral award
33:46.0
and the arbitral award.
33:48.0
it's the most tangible
33:49.4
enforcement of the
33:51.3
because you're using
33:54.4
exclusive economic zone
33:55.5
of the Philippines
34:03.1
9-line is nonsense
34:04.3
that we don't follow
34:05.7
Because the 9-line
34:07.0
exercises are inside.
34:10.4
Yeah, that's exactly
34:12.0
the message being said
34:18.3
we should do this
34:21.4
Ito na dapat talaga.
34:23.8
It should be done
34:25.0
so that it becomes
34:28.7
that that is really
34:29.8
the exclusive economic
34:31.2
zone of the Philippines
34:32.3
because they keep on
34:35.7
and that's to our benefit.
34:43.1
what is your read
34:46.7
along these lines,
34:57.7
debate natin yan.
34:59.6
Parang ito yung gagawin
35:01.7
what we're seeing
35:10.4
have the arbitral award,
35:22.4
of the arbitral award.
35:25.6
couldn't do anything.
35:30.1
conduct naval drills
35:34.0
national territory.
35:35.7
everything within
35:36.5
the 10-dust line,
35:38.9
national territory.
35:41.2
can you just imagine
35:55.0
And they couldn't
36:01.2
with the Japanese,
36:02.2
baka we're looking
36:05.1
hindi lang patrols
36:07.3
easy of the films.
36:16.0
sub-defense force,
36:19.7
Even when we have
36:21.8
sub-defense force,
36:23.6
strengthen our alliances
36:24.7
because you're facing
36:32.5
largest coast guard
36:34.6
largest submarine
36:35.5
force in the world.
36:37.7
a country like that?
36:42.9
to end this episode
36:44.6
one question also
36:47.2
inspirational but
36:48.0
what do you think
36:49.6
in the coming years?
36:51.1
the next logical step?
36:55.7
president not named
36:56.9
Duterte would have
36:58.6
So there's nothing
36:59.1
genius about what
37:01.0
Let's be absolutely
37:01.6
clear because I think
37:02.4
some people are going
37:04.8
is such a genius.
37:09.7
should have done.
37:10.7
Tama naman si BBM
37:14.3
is not my preference,
37:15.2
it's what my people
37:18.2
any self-respecting
37:32.1
the most critical
37:35.6
will be devastated
37:41.7
here will transfer
37:47.0
crux of the matter.
37:51.9
dangerous maneuvers,
38:01.3
doesn't recognize
38:13.3
exclusive economic
38:32.4
companies involved?
38:49.6
service contracts
38:55.6
service contracts
39:29.6
for getting the gas,
39:44.8
that's the win-win.
39:45.7
That's the win-win.
39:46.5
That's the win-win.
39:47.4
But at the last minute,
39:49.5
remove that provision
39:50.6
in the service contract
39:55.2
Remove that provision
39:56.2
that Philippine law
40:05.9
They were too greedy.
40:06.9
They were too greedy.
40:07.6
They wanted too much.
40:10.5
Kasalanan nila yan.
40:11.6
they have bad diplomacy.
40:12.8
They don't know how to
40:14.6
as Biden would put it.
40:15.9
Take the win, right?
40:17.5
Huwag mong pilitin.
40:18.3
Don't make it worse, right?
40:19.7
And that's what they did.
40:24.7
sisisiin ng China
40:25.8
kung yung president
40:28.3
of their province?
40:30.3
If you have such a
40:32.1
and sa tingin mo,
40:33.0
mananalo naman si BBM
40:34.2
at tingin naman nila
40:35.5
is not too different
40:38.2
I cannot blame China.
40:42.2
Well, they thought
40:59.2
Indonesia is able
40:60.0
to get their gas,
41:00.9
and we have to import
41:02.3
very expensive LNG.
41:08.5
high unemployment,
41:12.6
prices will go up.
41:14.4
it's really terrible.
41:17.2
let me disagree with you
41:18.4
vehemently, Justice.
41:19.6
I think China is correct
41:20.7
to think that they can
41:23.5
those politicians
41:24.3
once they bought them?
41:27.1
yun na hindi nila nakita,
41:28.3
parang akala nila,
41:34.7
ang wala sila, no?
41:37.4
We're not saying anything
41:46.5
Wala pang update.
41:47.5
Anong marites sa Davao?
41:50.0
wala pa rin Kibuloy?
41:53.2
he's still in hiding.
41:57.9
they will have to
42:02.3
will be the laughingstock.
42:04.3
they have to produce him
42:05.3
kasi paano man mauling
42:07.0
pag may warang tovaris na?
42:08.8
hindi mo mauli-huli.
42:11.6
I'm trying to do something
42:13.8
of New York Times
42:15.1
do you have recommendations
42:16.5
and your own works
42:19.8
Jay actually recommended
42:23.4
And I was just reading it
42:24.9
and it's so inspiring
42:30.2
nandun sa excerpt
42:34.6
he predicted that
42:36.5
the dominant power
42:37.3
here in part of the world
42:38.3
together with China
42:41.5
fascinating read.
42:43.7
and marami siyang sinasabing
42:46.5
if only we Filipinos
42:49.3
our tribalistic dissensions
42:51.4
and be a unified country,
42:52.5
dapat kinik-out na natin
42:53.6
yung mga Espanyol
42:55.8
But if we're just
42:57.4
with who's the latest
43:00.8
is used to the yoke,
43:04.1
forever na tayong ganyan.
43:06.8
ano yung mga inspiring works
43:09.0
Whether it's Ilustrados,
43:10.2
whether it's someone else,
43:11.7
international law,
43:13.3
and also some of your works,
43:16.0
I know about your book.
43:16.8
Thank you for the copy,
43:17.6
fantastic copy you gave me.
43:18.6
But for people who want to know more
43:20.2
about West Philippines
43:20.8
and these issues,
43:21.5
anong dapat babasahin nila,
43:24.7
there's this book,
43:26.7
The Internationalists,
43:30.0
written by lawyers
43:33.2
who teach international law.
43:36.6
And their principal theory
43:42.1
international law
43:45.1
can prevent wars,
43:47.1
can save the world.
43:51.0
that's the only way
43:52.6
a third world war.
44:01.2
the rule in international law
44:02.6
was might is right.
44:04.6
If you have a dispute
44:05.6
with your neighbor,
44:06.6
with your neighboring country,
44:12.6
and that's valid.
44:14.8
you can be the aggressor.
44:18.5
what you did was correct.
44:20.0
The right to colonization.
44:21.9
I saw that in the Spanish writers.
44:25.2
I'm being a little bit pushy.
44:26.4
You can see there's a result here.
44:28.0
I want to ask you,
44:29.4
I was reading about Pedro Paterno
44:31.1
and Pedro Paterno was a lawyer
44:32.5
by training, right?
44:33.4
He would cite some things
44:34.6
about international law.
44:36.1
Are you familiar with any
44:37.5
legitimate international legal arguments
44:39.7
from the Filipino Ilustrados
44:42.1
this right to colonization
44:43.3
or the Philippines right
44:44.1
to self-determination?
44:45.8
I was just thinking
44:46.2
if you're legally geeky
44:47.3
and historically geeky,
44:49.3
to some of this work.
44:51.2
I'm pushing you on this.
44:53.1
Apolinario Mabini
44:57.1
And he was, of course,
45:00.7
the author of the
45:02.1
Manolos Constitution.
45:03.6
And he understood
45:06.8
international law.
45:09.4
But going back to
45:10.8
what I was saying,
45:18.4
of the 1945 Constitution
45:19.8
were drafting the Constitution,
45:22.9
they realized that
45:23.7
they had to change the rule.
45:26.1
The might is right,
45:27.7
which was the rule
45:29.3
since the dawn of
45:31.0
human civilization
45:35.9
if we continue with this rule,
45:39.4
the world will end.
45:41.3
Because we already have a rule.
45:42.1
We already have the nuclear bomb.
45:44.6
With the nuclear bomb,
45:46.4
you cannot afford a rule
45:50.3
if you have a territorial dispute,
45:53.5
is awarded the territory.
45:57.4
You cannot have that kind of rule
46:00.0
when there are nuclear bombs
46:03.2
because that will mean
46:04.8
the end of humanity.
46:06.6
That's the end of human civilization.
46:08.7
So, the two fundamental principles
46:10.9
of the UN Charter are this.
46:12.1
All disputes between states
46:14.2
must be settled peacefully
46:15.6
by negotiation, mediation, arbitration.
46:18.6
And the use of force
46:20.4
or the threat of force
46:21.6
is outlawed, prohibited.
46:25.5
for the last 79 years,
46:27.5
we did not have a third world war.
46:32.5
is overturning that.
46:37.7
to get the territory of Ukraine.
46:42.1
they're going to war
46:44.3
to settle a territorial dispute,
46:46.2
which is a no-no.
46:48.4
and they succeed that,
46:50.6
they succeed in getting the territory of Ukraine,
46:53.5
that will be the end of
46:54.7
the United Nations Charter.
47:00.3
China is using threat of force
47:02.4
to grab the territory
47:04.9
and maritime zones of its neighbors.
47:07.8
So, these two countries
47:09.2
are trying to overturn
47:12.1
Because the UN Charter says
47:16.6
and the threat of force
47:19.6
But both of these countries,
47:21.2
Russia is using actual force.
47:23.8
China is using threat of force.
47:25.5
So, we have to understand
47:35.3
Russia and China succeed
47:42.1
rules-based order
47:43.5
under the UN Charter,
47:46.1
what will happen?
47:47.7
That's a very good point.
47:52.9
How a radical plan
47:55.2
the internationalist?
47:56.0
I'm just wondering.
47:56.8
I think this is the closing.
47:57.8
It looks amazing.
47:59.7
Thank you so much, Justice.
48:01.4
I'll definitely check this.
48:03.1
the role of international law
48:05.5
is very underappreciated
48:07.2
in our, let's say,
48:08.8
pedestrian discourse.
48:10.1
Sometimes even in policy discourse.
48:12.0
So, I really think that's a good point.
48:14.5
I also see the relevance of that
48:15.7
because there were some people
48:16.4
who were trying to use
48:17.1
the Dresden bombings,
48:19.8
to justify a recent war
48:21.0
in the Middle East.
48:21.9
And someone said,
48:22.5
actually, that's why
48:23.4
we created international law
48:25.1
after World War II
48:25.8
so that you don't go bomb
48:27.6
of another country
48:28.5
because they killed
48:29.1
some of your people.
48:29.8
It doesn't work that way.
48:33.9
of international law
48:35.2
is very important.
48:36.6
I'm glad you mentioned Mabini
48:39.1
I also mentioned Paterna,
48:40.4
is that we are a nation
48:41.9
of world-class lawyers.
48:43.5
Not in terms of just lawyers
48:44.5
who are good in making money
48:46.5
presidential spokesman one day,
48:47.9
ex-human rights one.
48:48.7
And then you want
48:49.0
people who use lawfare
48:51.3
to protect the interests
48:52.5
of smaller countries.
48:53.5
So, thank you so much,
48:55.5
this is the kind of,
48:56.8
this is kind of like
48:57.8
your life legacy, right?
49:00.6
who puts his might
49:01.7
behind what is right.
49:04.5
I don't want to be sentimental
49:05.9
but I am a sentimental person,
49:09.0
that's your animating
49:11.6
And that's the idea
49:12.9
animating your actions.
49:15.9
we don't really have a choice.
49:18.7
We are fighting China
49:22.5
naval fleet in the world
49:24.6
and largest submarine force,
49:27.5
largest coast guard.
49:29.9
We will lose definitely
49:31.5
if we go toe-to-toe
49:34.4
in the South China Sea.
49:36.4
We have to bring China
49:39.7
where there's a level
49:43.7
Arbital Tribunal.
49:45.8
thank you for mentioning that.
49:47.0
kibuloy na nga lang,
49:47.8
hindi natin mahuli-huli
49:51.4
I was hoping to end
49:52.4
on a more hopeful note
49:53.6
but nevertheless,
49:54.9
I am very stoic like you.
49:58.0
regardless of the results.
50:01.6
Bear and forbear.
50:02.8
Thank you so much,
50:05.6
if I'm going back to you
50:07.0
every weekend so,
50:08.2
but I'm not sorry
50:11.0
are very important
50:11.8
and I need the marites
50:12.9
on kibuloy and Davao
50:14.1
every other week.
50:16.0
hopefully we can have you
50:17.3
and hopefully even more
50:18.2
pakulo to discuss.
50:23.4
and I think our supporters,
50:25.0
ang daming mga comments here,
50:26.2
ang daming natutuan,
50:28.8
dun sa discussions natin.
50:31.6
Have a lovely weekend
50:32.5
and a blessed Sabbath day.
50:39.0
thank you very much.
50:39.8
that was Justice,
50:41.7
yung mga nagsabi na
50:42.4
ba't di ko pinapakita
50:44.5
hindi ko makonect
50:50.6
is a university Zoom
50:51.7
and for some reason,
50:52.7
every time I check it,
50:54.0
may problema siya
50:54.8
kasi hindi ko siya
50:55.5
pwedeng gawin live.
50:58.0
that means I have to
50:58.8
buy my own account
51:01.2
I try to avoid that.
51:05.6
YouTube and different platforms.
51:08.1
masyadong nanon sa Facebook
51:09.0
so mostly it's on my
51:11.2
Richard Hey Darian
51:13.8
Libre lang makinig dyan.
51:15.3
Mag-subscribe din kayo
51:16.1
sa YouTube channel natin,
51:17.8
Richard Hey Darian
51:18.7
YouTube channel natin.
51:20.5
Libre lang mag-subscribe
51:22.2
I appreciate always
51:22.9
if you send us stickers
51:24.7
stars and all of those things
51:26.9
para sa bayan yan.
51:28.2
So, thank you so much
51:28.9
for listening to us.
51:32.9
mahal ko yung taong yan.
51:34.4
he's really such an inspiration.
51:37.3
We need more people
51:38.2
like Justice Carpio
51:40.1
the past week was
51:43.8
We had J. Batumbacal,
51:45.1
the leading maritime law expert
51:47.2
among the best in the world.
51:48.9
We had Admiral Oong,
51:51.9
a fantastic tactician
51:57.1
for a long, long time.
51:58.2
And today, of course,
51:58.8
we had no less than
52:03.1
kausapin naman natin
52:04.0
si Senator Antonio Trillanes.
52:07.3
itong mga latest developments.
52:08.9
I know he has given
52:10.1
including to some of our friends
52:11.3
sa kabilang channel
52:13.7
But I'm sure there'll be
52:14.6
even more updates
52:16.9
Kausapin ko rin siya
52:17.7
because sabi ko nga,
52:18.8
parang hindi na masyadong
52:20.4
Medyo lumalaban na.
52:21.7
Gustong-gusto ko yung sinabi
52:24.7
yung mga mga bayaran na
52:27.6
Yung mga bayaran na vloggers
52:28.6
parang jukebox, di ba?
52:30.1
Anong bigay mo sa kanila?
52:31.1
Kakantay nila kung anong gusto mo.
52:32.4
Professional liars
52:33.3
yung mga yan, di ba?
52:33.9
So, I like to see
52:35.0
yung mas matapang
52:37.4
na hindi diktator.
52:39.0
Just to be clear about it.
52:41.6
thank you very much
52:45.0
And as yun na naman,
52:47.1
strictly our Sabbath day.
52:48.2
I always make sure
52:50.0
and my spiritual well-being
52:51.1
for spending more time
52:52.5
with family and loved ones.
52:54.2
We have a strictly
52:57.8
I try not to post as much.
52:59.8
hindi naman live spontaneous.
53:02.4
So, please take care
53:03.4
of your well-being
53:04.4
and your spirituality.
53:06.1
Huwag masyadong online
53:07.4
Except kung ako yung
53:09.1
kung may show tayo dito.
53:11.0
But let me also say,
53:13.0
advance Happy New Year.
53:14.5
Happy Mother's Day.
53:18.4
in four hours pa.
53:20.3
Happy Mother's Day
53:26.7
nanonood sa atin.
53:27.7
I really appreciate
53:31.3
titas of America,
53:33.4
titas of Gitnang Silangan.
53:35.5
Ibat-ibang lugar.
53:37.8
yung pagkakonyotics natin.
53:39.5
Mga ibat-ibang lugar
53:41.9
sa lahat ng mga mommies
53:45.6
na nanonood sa atin.
53:47.5
appreciate your support.
53:48.4
And please just continue
53:50.2
Please just continue
54:01.6
para mag-subscribe sa atin
54:02.6
para makamit natin
54:03.4
yung mga targets natin dito.
54:05.7
Happy Mother's Day.
54:08.4
blessed Sunday to you
54:09.3
and your family and loved ones.
54:10.9
talk to you soon.
54:12.5
we will try to have
54:14.7
We'll start early in the day,
54:17.4
by vlogger standards
54:19.0
kasi alam mo naman
54:20.9
may mga gagawin na naman
54:22.8
Paka-usapin natin ulit yan
54:23.9
by the end of the week
54:24.6
to see anong latest
54:25.5
sa West Phillip Music
54:26.2
kasi alam mo naman,
54:28.1
all over the place.
54:29.5
And then Tuesday,
54:31.1
we'll start naman
54:31.6
with Senator Trillianis
54:35.7
Thank you very much.
